President Trump signed Executive Order for Right to Fix

[Cz_Ziemniak]

If you can’t fix did you really purchase it? Don’t you recall the childhood saying, you break it you bought it?

Yes, you did technically purchase it.

Ferrari's been doing even worse things for years now.

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[Zig]

Okay, but the intention is that you go to the dealer to avoid the violation.

I don't get the logic here, as there is a clearly defined path.

Thing X breaks, and if you fix it you get fined unless you go to the dealer.

’unless you go to the dealer’ (and pay what they say - it ain’t a free fix) is the whole point.

edit: corrected typo from while point to whole point.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

’unless you go to the dealer’ (and pay what they say - it ain’t a free fix) is the while point.

I'm dying to know if this is how you have conversations in real life, lmao

 

[Zig]

Yes, you did technically purchase it.

Ferrari's been doing even worse things for years now.

Do you realize, even the ‘factory air filters’ are ‘technically’ part of the ‘emission’ system?

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Do you realize, even the ‘factory air filters’ are ‘technically’ part of the ‘emission’ system?

Yes Zig, I'm aware. I've been following the entire saga, including the speculation that the only reason S650's have twin throttle bodies is to bypass the inherit restriction of the carbon traps.

 

[Zig]

Yes Zig, I'm aware. I've been following the entire saga, including the speculation that the only reason S650's have twin throttle bodies is to bypass the inherit restriction of the carbon traps.

Without the ‘right to repair’ even air filters get locked behind the dealer paywall.

 

[goodlettjr]

This "Freedom to Fix" is focused on emissions only and is not to be confused with the right to repair act that is proposed in Congress. This is just a memorandum as well.

The right to repair act is the big battle taking place. I think that the aftermarket will win, and the OEMs understand that. It is more about controlling the fall out. For example, Right To Repair advocates want tools and equipment sold at the manufacturers cost, software as open source, etc. These are things that will equivocally tip the economic scales and shift money from one place to another. For example if an auto / truck manufacturer has to do this, they will just pack the estimated costs into the vehicle, therefore shifting the burden of cost from one place to another. Instead of paying when you need it, you will pay regardless. Secondary, is warranties. It wont replace warranties or shift the ability for independent repair shops and end users to do their own warranty repair.

In addition, they also want a pathway to certify aftermarket parts. This can go a lot of different ways. From cost changes, licensing, franchise devaluation, etc. There is a lot to unpack here.

All in all, the changes that look like they will reduce costs are just going to restructure the allocation of spend for the consumer and the wallet spend capture for the manufacturer. Nothing will be cheaper and you pay for something, even if you aren't going to repair it yourself, which increases your overall costs.

 

[Billycar11]

I partly agree. But who's overseeing the quality of repair? I've seen some horrors up close and online that makes me shudder to think they're on our roads.
Like the muppet who replaced leaking hub seals on his car trailer, but didn't clean the grease off the brakes.

I do realise that, but how do you control DIY stuff? It'd be really hard to find a balance between the freedom to work on your car and the safety of others.
Especially on modern cars which are like spaceships compared to pre 90's cars.

we oversee the quality of the repair as owners and or diyers i dont want anyone inspecting my cars their mine.

seen the inspection guys in ny hitting the cats with hammers to "make sure they are not gutted"
i left luckily it was not my car they do more damage than good.
my inspection stickers now come from Facebook market place

 

[Gregs24]

we oversee the quality of the repair as owners and or diyers i dont want anyone inspecting my cars their mine.

seen the inspection guys in ny hitting the cats with hammers to "make sure they are not gutted"
i left luckily it was not my car they do more damage than good.
my inspection stickers now come from Facebook market place

You are the very reason these sort of laws and problems occur in the first place!

Of course you are fully trained and qualified to do car repairs but there are plenty more bodgers out there who buy stickers on facebook and drive dodgy cars!

It doesn't matter that it is your car, it is somebody else that you will hit when your brakes fail because you just put a sticker on them!

 

[mks]

Nobody understands Zig - not even himself!

Had to chuckle at that. But, comm goes both ways. Good topic, though. In related FTC news, John Deere will now have to comply with a similar right-to-repair policy.

 

[Billycar11]

You are the very reason these sort of laws and problems occur in the first place!

Of course you are fully trained and qualified to do car repairs but there are plenty more bodgers out there who buy stickers on facebook and drive dodgy cars!

It doesn't matter that it is your car, it is somebody else that you will hit when your brakes fail because you just put a sticker on them!

At that rate you will need mot (inspection for rest of the world)for your shoes
To make sure you don't trip and kill a wheelchair user

 

[Gregs24]

At that rate you will need mot (inspection for rest of the world)for your shoes
To make sure you don't trip and kill a wheelchair user

Dodgy slippers are not a 2 tonne projectile travelling at 60mph

Of course cars should have a safety check regularly for the safety of all road users!

 

[Gregs24]

Had to chuckle at that. But, comm goes both ways. Good topic, though. In related FTC news, John Deere will now have to comply with a similar right-to-repair policy.

Zig writes in partial extracts from half constructed sentences.

 

[Zig]

Zig writes in partial extracts from half constructed sentences.

You assume the conclusion

btw: kiss is more than just a principle

 

[smurfslayer]

Dodgy slippers are not a 2 tonne projectile travelling at 60mph

Of course cars should have a safety check regularly for the safety of all road users!

Sure, and the owner/operator can and should bear that responsibility, without some government mandate requiring a 3rd party to do it. I've seen where that leads first hand. Either you get an ethical shop or one that requires you spend $nnn.nn to get passed.

I'm sure there are lots of us who have had this experience.

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