Mustangs in Europe came to end

[Mustang1987]

Funny that you want to talk about something else now since you realized you were wrong on the main subject. Since you showed your real face, there is no point in going further. You tried to dictate what others shouldn't do, while you are doing it yourself. No privilege for me, no privilege for you. Good luck with this hypocrite mentality.

So this discussion is stopped right here. Good luck and hope this was a lesson for you.

Ha, you're upset that people think you're anti tariff because of the fact that your post sounds like it was written by a Chinese journalist

If you keep writing that way, then yes, everyone will think you're anti tariff.

Just the way it is. Good luck lol

Edit: this was a reply to a user and the user appears to have deleted his posts.

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[roadpilot]

Just using the term "TDS" is a very serious and debilitating mental illness.

Need a tissue?

 

[roadpilot]

Which applies to both supporters and detractors.

By definition, 'derangement' doesn't apply to those who support something.

Public schools?

 

[kagemusha2662]

Just about the whole world puts tariffs on US products. When the US does it back, suddenly there's a problem?

How much does the EU charge the US and how much did Trump announce on his famous Liberation day that he immediately walked back

 

[Mustang1987]

How much does the EU charge the US and how much did Trump announce on his famous Liberation day that he immediately walked back

"But he punched me harder than I punched him"

Make it zero and the US will make it zero.

 

[CPT_RSV]

Ha, you're upset that people think you're anti tariff because of the fact that your post sounds like it was written by a Chinese journalist

If you keep writing that way, then yes, everyone will think you're anti tariff.

Just the way it is. Good luck lol

Edit: this was a reply to a user and the user appears to have deleted his posts.

Greetings to all.
I am reading this forum every day over a year now. Preparing for my new Mustang order which should take a place today. So celebrating and going to make new order far away from home into germany, where best offer was made. Upon arrival to ford dealer today, I came into shock! Last week, all orders for new cars were closed and no more orders for Europe to be placed anymore from now on - as per the dealer. According to them they had no info about it coming, and they don’t know whether imports of s650 would come back to life again. That’s a horrifying scenario for me! I had no choice though, I had to take one of the stock of last delivery awaiting to be cleared in Cologne in germany. Of course in different color I had wished. I see Mustangs in stock at dealerships are being rapidly sold out and therefore is far less to choose from than just few weeks ago! Please let me know what do you think, if that is true for all EU countries… ? It seems the last and shortly standing muscle car here came to the end so fast without notice. I wonder whether it is EU response on US harsh import cuts, or upcoming Euro 7 in Nov 2025. I also heard rumor from ford, there might be brand new Mustang generation coming to Europe in future. I don’t know what to think. Well… please, what are you thoughts?

This thread has become compromised. I feel like I’m at Mustang7libs.com. I felt safer at the Tesla site.

 

[kagemusha2662]

"But he punched me harder than I punched him"

Make it zero and the US will make it zero.

A simple google search will show you why those tariffs existed in the first place (spoilers, your boy put them in in his first term and the EU responded).

Edit: if you want a longer answer, the US has always had a 25% tax on light trucks imported from other places and Europe was the main supplier of that for many decades, which is why the initial 10% tariff was always there. Trump in his first term put a massive tariff that the EU responded with, as did the rest of the world. And now Trump thinks he can do the same playbook and get results again, but the world has woken up to this and learned

 

[Dragster]

By definition, 'derangement' doesn't apply to those who support something.

Public schools?

Derangement has nothing to do with whether you support something or not, but don't let your ignorance stop you from posting.

 

[Mustang1987]

A simple google search will show you why those tariffs existed in the first place (spoilers, your boy put them in in his first term and the EU responded)

Wrong. The EU has had tariffs on certain US products for a long time. Cars for example. EU has 10% tariffs on US vehicles. You think that hurts or helps Ford? It hurts Ford, an American company and American workers. So of course the US should hit back.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Wrong. The EU has had tariffs on certain US products for a long time. Cars for example. EU has 10% tariffs on US vehicles. You think that hurts or helps Ford? It hurts Ford, an American company and American workers. So of course the US should hit back.

I typed an edit in my post with a longer answer. I'll paste it here:
Edit: if you want a longer answer, the US has always had a 25% tax on light trucks imported from other places and Europe was a largesupplier of that for many decades, which is why the initial 10% tariff was always there. Trump in his first term put a massive tariff that the EU responded with, as did the rest of the world. And now Trump thinks he can do the same playbook and get results again, but the world has woken up to this and learned.

This also isn't taking into account that the demand for american cars across the world is not as high as it is in their own country. This is a key part about why Trump's understanding of this trade war doesn't make sense. The trade deficit exists because Europeans are simply not as interested in American cars compared to their own or other countries'. It doesn't help nor hurt Ford because no one wants to drive a gigantic F150 down the streets of paris or rome when their own cities are not built for these large vehicles. EDIT here: (side note, apologies for a lot of edits on posts, I just have a lot of thoughts that tend to come after I've already posted). If you talk to people in Europe, the reason why the demand for cars from America specifically is not high is because of the cost and the size. American cars cost too much because of labor costs as well as supply costs (hint, this is why American companies themselves offshore a ton of the vehicle production). Bringing those cars into Europe essentially prices them against European companies who already produce cars that are fit for their cities and roads and also have more demand in general to support themselves locally. This is essentially the same as how it works in America too. The EU has floated a zero for zero tariff, which is essentially free trade. And I don't think Americans, especially republicans as of late would like the results if there was a world where there was free market capitalism. Especially in a world where the EU has also been working with China to get their EVs into market. This is a key point to understand. Doug Demuro who is a massive car enthusiast touched upon this with EVs here:

Also I love the argument that tariffs are helping American workers and bringing back american jobs, because I'd love for you to point out how many companies actually end up bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. Announcements /= actual action. Look up foxconn in trump's first term, apple has been promising this for years. Auto makers have also promised this for years and not delivered. The hard truth is the US is not the manufacturing giant it once was and pivoted its economy to more service based goods, but the people of yesteryear cannot accept that as a reality and want to return to a manufacturing economy. Young people, especially gen z and millenials, do not want to work in a manufacturing economy. ESPECIALLY one where tech seems to be pushing hard for automation, hence making those manufacturing jobs useless.

EDIT: and ironically enough, european car companies have some of their biggest manufacturing plants in America, which is supplying American jobs. BMW's biggest plant is in America

 

[POHLHAMMER]

Feed the bear long enough , he won't be able to feed himself...

The Chinese have been around for 4000 years , they are no idiots. Willing to expend a generation into slave labor in order to feed that 250 year old bear that has been in their way. Now that the bear is fat and greedy , some can't go without their cheap toys , and no longer want to work.

A Service based economy What does that even mean ?

Remember not long ago when we could not get vehicles because there was no microchips to make them function. What do you think makes all of our military equipment function ?

We can't produce half of what we need to survive already. Talk about the world having us by the balls. The Boomer Generation (sorry not all) sold this country out , think NAFTA by Clinton. The richest got richer , and the middle class slowly dissolved. We are now at the point of completely losing our ability to manufacturer the things Americans need. Especially if we god forbid entered another WW.

This trade "war" has nothing to do with punishing other countries, and EVERYTHING about the survival of our country for our future generations.

IMO.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Feed the bear long enough , he won't be able to feed himself...

The Chinese have been around for 4000 years , they are no idiots. Willing to expend a generation into slave labor in order to feed that 250 year old bear that has been in their way. Now that the bear is fat and greedy , some can't go without their cheap toys , and no longer want to work.

A Service based economy What does that even mean ?

Remember not long ago when we could not get vehicles because there was no microchips to make them function. What do you think makes all of our military equipment function ?

We can't produce half of what we need to survive already. Talk about the world having us by the balls. The Boomer Generation (sorry not all) sold this country out , think NAFTA by Clinton. The richest got richer , and the middle class slowly dissolved. We are now at the point of completely losing our ability to manufacturer the things Americans need. Especially if we god forbid entered another WW.

This trade "war" has nothing to do with punishing other countries, and EVERYTHING about the survival of our country for our future generations.

IMO.

You’ll note that I did not mention anything about China except their EVs. I actually agree with the trade war with China to wean off the dependence on them. I don’t agree with a trade war on everyone else, especially our allies because that will push them further into the hands of China. You’re seeing that with many of our allies making trade agreements with China already (EU with Chinese vehicles, Canada with selling China 700% more oil).

a service based economy is essentially everything that isn’t manufacturing. Think tech, software. Meta, Apple, Microsoft, etc. these companies essentially carry most of American GDP/economy right now. Also in service economy are financial services, hospitality, retail, health, human services, information technology and education (from wikipedia). To write them off as useless is factually incorrect and would further put the US behind China in terms of technology race. Like it or not, the future of the world depends on who can get to technology the fastest, and unless you wanna be left behind in the 60s/70s then writing off the entire service/tech industry seems foolish.

If you want to talk about the middle class essentially disappearing, you’re gonna have to start with Ronald Reagan and not Clinton.

 

[kagemusha2662]

"But he punched me harder than I punched him"

Make it zero and the US will make it zero.

Also this comment is unironically hilarious to me because it’s essentially the same as saying Mike Tyson’s baby grand daughter pinched him so in response Mike Tyson knocked her out. If you’re gonna use that comment, compare the size of the entire EU’s economy to the US.

 

[LouG]

Maybe we should get off politics and discuss the Jesus.

The way this thread has gone made me say "Jesus wept".

 

[MCS]

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