Ford CEO says all electric mustang will never happen

[Zig]

um… gee… I think the boss said something about SUV…

Ah comma,

‘The Spirit of Mustang®,’
https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/

does that make the one that is but isn’t a unicorn?

Sponsored

 

[9secondko]

Ah comma,

‘The Spirit of Mustang®,’
https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/

does that make the one that is but isn’t a unicorn?

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/th...ustang-will-never-happen.161315/#post-3278013

Read last sentence. Again. Boss doesn’t like to repeat himself just because others do.

 

[Zig]

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/th...ustang-will-never-happen.161315/#post-3278013

Read last sentence. Again. Boss doesn’t like to repeat himself just because others do.

spirit ‘of’ not ‘is’ ?

 

[9secondko]

spirit ‘of’ not ‘is’ ?

either it is or it isn’t. There is no in between.

in this case, it isn’t.

 

[Zig]

either it is or it isn’t. There is no in between.

in this case, it isn’t.

So in their ‘confusing’ marketing terms when they say ‘The Spirit of Mustang®, ‘
(https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/) they are saying ‘of’ not ‘is’.

now the question becomes, does a factory car that has badges of another make it a unicorn? It’s got the name and even the placard but it ins’t really so thats a perceived ‘anomaly’ (unicorn)?

 

[IceGamer]

Yep, the gt 500 will basically be a GTD that starts at less than 100k that uses some of the GTD parts, but ditches the carbon fiber and other super expensive components.

More like a GT with the Predator engine, a supercharger and some GTD Parts ;)

The GTD is an entirely different car and has almost nothing in common with the regular GT whereas the 500 successor will have little in common with the GTD.

 

[Zig]

More like a GT with the Predator engine, a supercharger and some GTD Parts ;)

The GTD is an entirely different car and has almost nothing in common with the regular GT whereas the 500 successor will have little in common with the GTD.

Will it be a gt-number or a dh-number?

 

[DeluxeStang]

So we're deep down the rabbits hole with this one. But I like to chat with JMD80 over on blue oval forums. For those who don't know, JMD is a credible Ford insider. He said it would be interesting if the way they pulled off a mustang sedan was the take the current overseas Mondeo and Tarus that's based on c2, and convert it to RWD by swapping in the mustangs front crash structure that could accommodate the 2.3 and 5.0. He concluded basically by saying, just an idea...

Now of course this could just be an idea, his vision on how he would do it if asked. I don't want to falsely claim that he confirmed that's what Ford was gonna do, but it seemed like he was teasing the idea of doing that. That would be pretty cool to see if that's the route they took. The latest Mondeo already looks a bit like a mustang sedan, heck, it literally has the three vertical taillights out back. As long as they tweaked the front end styling, I'd be all for it.

 

[9secondko]

So in their ‘confusing’ marketing terms when they say ‘The Spirit of Mustang®, ‘
(https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/) they are saying ‘of’ not ‘is’.

now the question becomes, does a factory car that has badges of another make it a unicorn? It’s got the name and even the placard but it ins’t really so thats a perceived ‘anomaly’ (unicorn)?

so… you’re admitting it’s not a Mustang.
Good for you.

 

[9secondko]

My guess is that Ford is reinventing the Mustang right under our noses, with ridiculously priced GTDs helping to cover the expense.

with the many vehicles now nipping at the mustangs heels in performance, even grocery-getters, Ford NEEDS to give the mustang a reason to be. A compelling reason to buy Mustang over an EV, other performance car, etc.

Mustang sales are down big time. And even early in the lifecycle. That’s not good. Ford knows what’s up. They’ve likely predicted the shortfall and have been working to build a foundation for the future.

sounds like a reinvention/repurposing:upgrade of what the Mustang has always been.

by selling a supercar/hypercar version with race car genetics at a very high price, they can afford the research and partnership with multimatic to engineer this new breed versus amortizing a platform across Mustangs and being forced to increase prices across the board.

the next Cobra tier will have traces of this. The next generation will be a clean sheet, performant and efficient platform with everything coalesced into a mass-produce able platform.

this is my guess.

it has been frustrating watching what appeared to be Ford asleep at the wheel while the industry passes them by with an old platform pretending to be a new one, dying a slow sales death.

but now with the Gtd, eschewing full-ev, and the comments made on the Cobra successor, some puzzle pieces are coalescing into a fairly discernible shape.

of course, this could just be my imagination, but there is logic to this. With Farley being a reasonable and intelligent guy and an enthusiast himself, it stands to reason thst he has been planning ahead in a big way.

will be very interesting to see how things begin to take shape next year.

 

[DeluxeStang]

My guess is that Ford is reinventing the Mustang right under our noses, with ridiculously priced GTDs helping to cover the expense.

with the many vehicles now nipping at the mustangs heels in performance, even grocery-getters, Ford NEEDS to give the mustang a reason to be. A compelling reason to buy Mustang over an EV, other performance car, etc.

Mustang sales are down big time. And even early in the lifecycle. That’s not good. Ford knows what’s up. They’ve likely predicted the shortfall and have been working to build a foundation for the future.

sounds like a reinvention/repurposing:upgrade of what the Mustang has always been.

by selling a supercar/hypercar version with race car genetics at a very high price, they can afford the research and partnership with multimatic to engineer this new breed versus amortizing a platform across Mustangs and being forced to increase prices across the board.

the next Cobra tier will have traces of this. The next generation will be a clean sheet, performant and efficient platform with everything coalesced into a mass-produce able platform.

this is my guess.

it has been frustrating watching what appeared to be Ford asleep at the wheel while the industry passes them by with an old platform pretending to be a new one, dying a slow sales death.

but now with the Gtd, eschewing full-ev, and the comments made on the Cobra successor, some puzzle pieces are coalescing into a fairly discernible shape.

of course, this could just be my imagination, but there is logic to this. With Farley being a reasonable and intelligent guy and an enthusiast himself, it stands to reason thst he has been planning ahead in a big way.

will be very interesting to see how things begin to take shape next year.

Exactly, I was scratching my head as to why Ford revealed the GTD so early on in the s650 lifecycle. Sure, it's meant to be a gt3 road car, and you need to build homologated road cars to race in GT3. But let's be real, they could have gotten away with saying the normal s650 was their homologated road car.

With most mustang generations, we wouldn't be seeing something like the GTD until the end of that generation's production. But we got it right away. On the surface, that could be a bad strategy, releasing the best car first, one that makes all the other future performance models look tame. That is, unless Ford has something even more radical and mind blowing in the pipeline.

 

[Karguy]

I would say the GTD has as much to do with a S650 Mustang as a NASCAR Camry with the one you can actually buy at the Toyota dealership...The GTD is a full on racecar except for the SC-engine looking like a Mustang costing hypercar money...Ford played it easy and cheap knowing that Camaro and Challenger would go away and instead of gaining market share sales went down because people want more than a 10 year old 550 for a 50% premium (looking what they ask for the DH)...Hopefully they have enough money left to invest in a new lighter chassis and new V8 to give the Mustang a bright future (and even if that means a 4-door or even wagon spin-off) I guess the trucks get a 6.8 push-rod V8...hint,hint...LOL

 

[9secondko]

I would say the GTD has as much to do with a S650 Mustang as a NASCAR Camry with the one you can actually buy at the Toyota dealership...The GTD is a full on racecar except for the SC-engine looking like a Mustang costing hypercar money...Ford played it easy and cheap knowing that Camaro and Challenger would go away and instead of gaining market share sales went down because people want more than a 10 year old 550 for a 50% premium (looking what they ask for the DH)...Hopefully they have enough money left to invest in a new lighter chassis and new V8 to give the Mustang a bright future (and even if that means a 4-door or even wagon spin-off) I guess the trucks get a 6.8 push-rod V8...hint,hint...LOL

the difference is, you could never buy a road-going Camry race car. You could just buy grandmas Camry.

But you CAN buy the GTD. Not just a regular mustang
Ford could have just modified a dark horse and called it the equivalent of the gt3 car. That’s pretty much what they’ve always done.

but now, they actually produced a race car that’s street legal. Not sure any of the big 3 have done anything on this level before. Even the Cobra R wasn’t anywhere near this level.

then you have to wonder why.
Why invest so much into a performance mustang and then charge the price of more than two corvette z06s?

a logical hypothesis is that it’s an active investment. Instead of amortizing a next gen platform cost into the next decade, Ford is getting a jump on it, and profiting straight away. The implications are huge. It will help keep prices down for the next gen, provide a halo for current gen, and provide a glimpse into a bright future. By getting the platform goalposts in line now, Ford sets the Mustang up for success in performance and efficiency well into the future. And what better way to do that than to actually give it honest to goodness race car bones.

By building a limited edition car that breaks the current mold and is priced into the stratosphere, Ford recoups a healthy fraction of that investment early. It also ensure exclusivity, so that the masses don’t have the next gen slready and still have something to look forward to.

each GTD is basically a production ready prototype. Once they mail down the particulars of mass producing the key elements in a profitable way (if they haven’t already), it gets rolled up into a platform with next gen dimensions and long term support targets. Instead of a common sedan emulating a race car, we get a race car emulating a sedan. I’ll take that trade.

Ford couldn’t exactly take the Ford GT and make that the platform for Mustang. It needs to be a bit more livable. Hence GTD.

THAT CAN directly translate into a whole new generation of Mustangs that punch far, far above their supposed weight class without breaking the bank.

dang. Kind of excited now. This whole s650 business had me bumming for a bit. But I can see it now.

the GTD will likely be supercharged. But if it ends up being twin turbo, I think that’s another feather in the cap of this hypothesis. An ecoboost version of a hybrid 5.0 would be the ticket.

just speculation mind you, but the puzzle is looking much less chaotic.

 

[MaddNomad]

the difference is, you could never buy a road-going Camry race car. You could just buy grandmas Camry.

But you CAN buy the GTD. Not just a regular mustang
Ford could have just modified a dark horse and called it the equivalent of the gt3 car. That’s pretty much what they’ve always done.

but now, they actually produced a race car that’s street legal. Not sure any of the big 3 have done anything on this level before. Even the Cobra R wasn’t anywhere near this level.

then you have to wonder why.
Why invest so much into a performance mustang and then charge the price of more than two corvette z06s?

a logical hypothesis is that it’s an active investment. Instead of amortizing a next gen platform cost into the next decade, Ford is getting a jump on it, and profiting straight away. The implications are huge. It will help keep prices down for the next gen, provide a halo for current gen, and provide a glimpse into a bright future. By getting the platform goalposts in line now, Ford sets the Mustang up for success in performance and efficiency well into the future. And what better way to do that than to actually give it honest to goodness race car bones.

By building a limited edition car that breaks the current mold and is priced into the stratosphere, Ford recoups a healthy fraction of that investment early. It also ensure exclusivity, so that the masses don’t have the next gen slready and still have something to look forward to.

each GTD is basically a production ready prototype. Once they mail down the particulars of mass producing the key elements in a profitable way (if they haven’t already), it gets rolled up into a platform with next gen dimensions and long term support targets. Instead of a common sedan emulating a race car, we get a race car emulating a sedan. I’ll take that trade.

Ford couldn’t exactly take the Ford GT and make that the platform for Mustang. It needs to be a bit more livable. Hence GTD.

THAT CAN directly translate into a whole new generation of Mustangs that punch far, far above their supposed weight class without breaking the bank.

dang. Kind of excited now. This whole s650 business had me bumming for a bit. But I can see it now.

the GTD will likely be supercharged. But if it ends up being twin turbo, I think that’s another feather in the cap of this hypothesis. An ecoboost version of a hybrid 5.0 would be the ticket.

just speculation mind you, but the puzzle is looking much less chaotic.

That’s why I always thought the Mustang had a higher ceiling. GM for example will handicap any performance model if it starts stepping the Vette’s toes and Dodge is, well Dodge.

So we're deep down the rabbits hole with this one. But I like to chat with JMD80 over on blue oval forums. For those who don't know, JMD is a credible Ford insider. He said it would be interesting if the way they pulled off a mustang sedan was the take the current overseas Mondeo and Tarus that's based on c2, and convert it to RWD by swapping in the mustangs front crash structure that could accommodate the 2.3 and 5.0. He concluded basically by saying, just an idea...

Now of course this could just be an idea, his vision on how he would do it if asked. I don't want to falsely claim that he confirmed that's what Ford was gonna do, but it seemed like he was teasing the idea of doing that. That would be pretty cool to see if that's the route they took. The latest Mondeo already looks a bit like a mustang sedan, heck, it literally has the three vertical taillights out back. As long as they tweaked the front end styling, I'd be all for it.

I still think it’s best suited for a new car that is known to be that. It feels like they’re watering down the nameplate in a way.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I would say the GTD has as much to do with a S650 Mustang as a NASCAR Camry with the one you can actually buy at the Toyota dealership...The GTD is a full on racecar except for the SC-engine looking like a Mustang costing hypercar money...Ford played it easy and cheap knowing that Camaro and Challenger would go away and instead of gaining market share sales went down because people want more than a 10 year old 550 for a 50% premium (looking what they ask for the DH)...Hopefully they have enough money left to invest in a new lighter chassis and new V8 to give the Mustang a bright future (and even if that means a 4-door or even wagon spin-off) I guess the trucks get a 6.8 push-rod V8...hint,hint...LOL

If I had to guess, Ford will develop a next gen lighter platform for s750 that accommodates a variety of powertrains from v8s, to EVs, kind of like what Dodge did with the upcoming charger. I think brands are realizing it's smart to design platforms to be as flexible as possible to hedge their bets against any direction the industry can blow in.

Sponsored