Considering selling my special order GT

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[Awt2858]

The best way I can describe the throttle delay occurrence is it tends to most frequently happen with something like a rolling stop. There was another thread back in May (I think?) that more deeply detailed that.
My love/hate of the s650 really boils down to personal preferences and cost/expectation. I think a lot of the pedal feel and delay issues comes down to the electronic architecture, programming that could be addressed via OTA updates. I think if ford cared enough this would have been addressed by now and that doesn’t leave me hopeful it’ll be improved.

 

[Awt2858]

yes

If I could go back, pretty sure I would spec manual instead. I wasn’t sure if manual vs auto was cause for delay or if that’s an inherently ecu or trans programming issue

 

[Paul's stable]

I hate that this thought has been growing in my mind but, as the title says, I’m considering selling my special ordered GT. I spec’d 401a, performance pack, nite appearance pack, magneride, etc. I used the DH spec sheet to guide my build. It’s a beautiful car. I expected the s650 GT to be a hell of a drive, coming from a 2015 ecoboost (201a, performance pack, GT pp brembo swapped), but I hate what Ford slapped together, from a driving experience perspective.
*inhales to start rant* The gen 4 coyote is a fantastic engine but that’s where my accolades for this car end. It’s a comfortable cruiser but that’s not what the evolution of the s550 should be. If you have discerning feet and hands, maybe some high performance driving experience past the complimentary Charlotte track day, I’m sure you’ve felt the disconnect and slight delay between pedal input and vehicle action, affecting both brake and gas pedals.
I’ve on all-too-frequent occasion gotten surprised by at least 0.5sec of non-responsive throttle input while in traffic, enough time to ask my car wtf it is doing; this delay is the reason my wife refuses to drive my car now.
The dead zone at the top of the brake and the slight delay became much more apparent after a few days of driving a turo rental ‘16 civic through the Rocky Mtns last month. The brakes, like every thing else in the car, lack a feel of connection to the system they’re designed to operate, instead feeling like use of a brake pedal in a driving sim on a moving chassis.
Even the magneride suspension, which is very comfortable as a calm daily driver, has to really be worked and loaded to be semicapable on track.
I do have to admit I was a little impressed with the car’s heat management during track time. I expectedly had to do some cool down stretches but they were less frequent than I expected.
Being a $60k+ msrp car with a performance spec, I hoped for and expected a car with more of a drivers feel. After 22k miles on the dash now, I miss having that feel that makes driving special. I miss the feeling of engaging with the machine. I don’t know if I will actually sell it in the near or mid future but that thought has been steadily growing in my mind.
If you made it this far, I’m impressed lol

I think you like a few people on here thought they were buying a GTD. I have a 6spd Whippled Dark Horse have had it for a year and a half. Everytime I go out it is always fun. I also have zero throttle lag. But it might just be my 50 years of driving experience I guess has taught me nothing. However if you don't like your ride you can either make it better or sell it and find something that suits you better.

 

[Zig]

If I could go back, pretty sure I would spec manual instead. I wasn’t sure if manual vs auto was cause for delay or if that’s an inherently ecu or trans programming issue

I’d hold out for tuning before selling

 

[Frogdog1]

There's no way I would feel this way until I knew what was out there that made me feel much better. This OP doesn't make any sense to me. Not being derogatory either.....all of our heads work differently. Getting happy with something, either what I have or something else does make sense to me. And doing it quick makes even more sense. No way I would be willing to feel this way for long. Life is too short and I know a thing or two about that. That has a lot to do with why I do own a Mustang GT. I wanted one in my life so I ordered one and like it just like it sits. It exceeds my expectations and I'm not inexperienced at going fast or peformance, as in motorcycle racing. Like someone else said in a good article, don't over-think it. It will all work out.

 

[krisk]

I hate that this thought has been growing in my mind but, as the title says, I’m considering selling my special ordered GT. I spec’d 401a, performance pack, nite appearance pack, magneride, etc. I used the DH spec sheet to guide my build. It’s a beautiful car. I expected the s650 GT to be a hell of a drive, coming from a 2015 ecoboost (201a, performance pack, GT pp brembo swapped), but I hate what Ford slapped together, from a driving experience perspective.
*inhales to start rant* The gen 4 coyote is a fantastic engine but that’s where my accolades for this car end. It’s a comfortable cruiser but that’s not what the evolution of the s550 should be. If you have discerning feet and hands, maybe some high performance driving experience past the complimentary Charlotte track day, I’m sure you’ve felt the disconnect and slight delay between pedal input and vehicle action, affecting both brake and gas pedals.
I’ve on all-too-frequent occasion gotten surprised by at least 0.5sec of non-responsive throttle input while in traffic, enough time to ask my car wtf it is doing; this delay is the reason my wife refuses to drive my car now.
The dead zone at the top of the brake and the slight delay became much more apparent after a few days of driving a turo rental ‘16 civic through the Rocky Mtns last month. The brakes, like every thing else in the car, lack a feel of connection to the system they’re designed to operate, instead feeling like use of a brake pedal in a driving sim on a moving chassis.
Even the magneride suspension, which is very comfortable as a calm daily driver, has to really be worked and loaded to be semicapable on track.
I do have to admit I was a little impressed with the car’s heat management during track time. I expectedly had to do some cool down stretches but they were less frequent than I expected.
Being a $60k+ msrp car with a performance spec, I hoped for and expected a car with more of a drivers feel. After 22k miles on the dash now, I miss having that feel that makes driving special. I miss the feeling of engaging with the machine. I don’t know if I will actually sell it in the near or mid future but that thought has been steadily growing in my mind.
If you made it this far, I’m impressed lol

I’ve had my GT PP for almost two years now and haven’t experienced any of the things you described. It’s strange you would have such a lag in the throttle. I’ve not experienced that on the street or the track.

 

[Awt2858]

I assume that in a bit of a roundabout way you’re asking for our thoughts as to whether you should sell. If I were you and unable to get in my car and just drive it and enjoy it, I’d sure as heck sell it. Thing is though I’m not sure what’s out there in this price range that’s perfect enough to withstand this type of scrutiny.

I’m more looking to see if anyone else has experienced these issues or other issues that have driven them to the same feeling with their mustang. I know selling it wouldn’t be a smart financial move and skews the likelihood that I do end up selling in the near future to low

 

[Kevi]

If you wanted an all out track car why didn't you buy a C8? Of course a 4 seater 4,000lb touring car is going to be a compromise.

 

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[LouG]

An A4 S-Line.

V6? That's surprising. But N/A with enough TB's has always had the best throttle response.

 

[Awt2858]

It seems like a half second delay in applying the brakes would be very dangerous.

At 85 mph (a pretty normal speed on the 70 mph interstate around here), the car is covering 124.667 feet per second. You have an emergency. You slam on those brakes. Your car proceeds another half a second, or 62.334 feet before the brakes apply? That does not sound right. That would be a huge lawsuit waiting to happen against Ford.

So that 0.5sec delay has only been experienced with the throttle, and has gotten me stuck in the middle of an intersection on three occasions, nearly causing an accident two of those three times. The brake has what feels to me to be a small dead zone at the top of the pedal’s travel and otherwise feels numb in regards to positioning, resistance/required force applied through travel.
I think the brake does have a very slight delay between initial application and action but it is one that could be easy to overlook if one wanted to ignore it.

 

[Awt2858]

If you wanted an all out track car why didn't you buy a C8? Of course a 4 seater 4,000lb touring car is going to be a compromise.

To directly answer that, the cost increase of >20% for a c8 over my GT pushed it out of my car budget. I was also considering it lacked other daily living requirements like the trunk space, increased cargo volume with rear seats folded down, actually usable back seats, etc.
I think the spirit of what I’ve been saying was kind of missed though. I’m not expecting my GT to be capable of sub-7:00 at the Nurburgring. I’m not Ken Miles but I’d love to help Ford work out the details of this pony. I ordered the car before they were on any dealer lots in my area, based on the faith I had in Ford to evolve the Mustang after my positive s550 experiences. I couldn’t give a shakedown prior to ordering. With a new car test drive, a lot of these issues would be dismissed as the electronics needing to “learn” the driver, which would take much more than a dealer test drive would allow. At the very least I expected this “performance” car that will consistently go when I press the gas. Is that too much to ask out of a $60k car labeled as a performance car?

 

[Awt2858]

I’ve had my GT PP for almost two years now and haven’t experienced any of the things you described. It’s strange you would have such a lag in the throttle. I’ve not experienced that on the street or the track.

I’ve brought this up with my local dealership but they said they would have to keep the car for a while to see if they could replicate to diagnose the issue since it has never thrown code or logged anything related to the throttle delay. Unless they can capture something from the computer while it’s happening, there is not much if anything they’ll be able to do about it. They were unable to give me any time frame other than “days, at least.” Living in an area with daily afternoon storms through most of the summer, I can’t really use my bike as a main means of transportation with the heavy pop ups we get.
I have used the “send feedback” feature a handful of times immediately following these events. Idk if that does anything

 

[Zig]

To directly answer that, the cost increase of >20% for a c8 over my GT pushed it out of my car budget. I was also considering it lacked other daily living requirements like the trunk space, increased cargo volume with rear seats folded down, actually usable back seats, etc.
I think the spirit of what I’ve been saying was kind of missed though. I’m not expecting my GT to be capable of sub-7:00 at the Nurburgring. I’m not Ken Miles but I’d love to help Ford work out the details of this pony. I ordered the car before they were on any dealer lots in my area, based on the faith I had in Ford to evolve the Mustang after my positive s550 experiences. I couldn’t give a shakedown prior to ordering. With a new car test drive, a lot of these issues would be dismissed as the electronics needing to “learn” the driver, which would take much more than a dealer test drive would allow. At the very least I expected this “performance” car that will consistently go when I press the gas. Is that too much to ask out of a $60k car labeled as a performance car?

They killed the vette when they dropped the hatch and added the divider (between driver and passenger). Adding the behind the driver divider in the c6 made it enjoyable, but then again, manual as well.

have you tried a reset and relearn if you suspect a learned trait?

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