Auto stop start on a 2025 GT premium.

[OutofNowhere]

They is an empty button to the left of the My Mustang button, is that where it’s supposed to be?

That is where it is supposed to be, yes. I think I saw somewhere in a thread here that someone took that entire area apart and discovered that there's not really any way to customize that button. That was a LONG time ago that I saw that, and I don't even know what to look for now. I'll think on it, and if I eventually dig it up, I'll let you know.

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[Dark Sprite]

Appreciate ya, thanks man.

 

[RDH43]

I read that the EPA is doing away with the requirement, not soon enough.

Well dang, how sad is that....(sarcasm) Imagine a system that adds significant cost to your vehicle plus every time you buy a battery its' higher cost and heaven forbid you need a starter...and if and its a big IF you manage to save .5 MPG over say 20k miles and you got 20 mpg without it and 20.5 with auto stop start...Why you'd save a WHOPPING 86 bucks total over that 20k miles if you paid 3.50 per gallon....If nothing ever broke on it or went bad..You'd hopefully break even at 200k miles or more MAYBE... lol

The above estimations does not add any value to the extreme happiness you have with a car that does not have it....or you defeat it...That's a BIG number too...;) Adds up to one of the dumbest most useless things ever added to a modern car....

 

[Gregs24]

Agree and it does match the headline to boot....perfectly. Many hybrids basically use the ice engine to charge the battery driven motors anyhow so part time to begin with... lol...


The auto stop has to be one of the greatest Rube Goldberg ideas of this century.

They 100% don't. That would be completely inefficient and pointless. Hybrids charge their batteries using regenerative braking.

 

[Gregs24]

I read that the EPA is doing away with the requirement, not soon enough.

Yes because hybrids are the way forward here as in the article posted above. Hybrids include 48v ISG systems with no starter motor which are now very common anyway. There is no need for the old S/S systems but the engine will stop and start when driving.

For passenger cars, the shift toward hybrids, plug‑in hybrids, and full EVs effectively bakes idle reduction into the vehicle’s DNA, turning what used to be a bolt‑on feature into a core characteristic of the drivetrain.

 

[Gregs24]

Well dang, how sad is that....(sarcasm) Imagine a system that adds significant cost to your vehicle plus every time you buy a battery its' higher cost and heaven forbid you need a starter...and if and its a big IF you manage to save .5 MPG over say 20k miles and you got 20 mpg without it and 20.5 with auto stop start...Why you'd save a WHOPPING 86 bucks total over that 20k miles if you paid 3.50 per gallon....If nothing ever broke on it or went bad..You'd hopefully break even at 200k miles or more MAYBE... lol

The above estimations does not add any value to the extreme happiness you have with a car that does not have it....or you defeat it...That's a BIG number too...;) Adds up to one of the dumbest most useless things ever added to a modern car....

It was actually never about YOU saving money, although there is a small benefit of 5% to 7%. It was about emissions at a local and global level for both atmospheric pollution (particulates) and greenhouse gas production. Multiplied up by the global car fleet the impact is huge.

 

[Frogdog1]

Well dang, how sad is that....(sarcasm) Imagine a system that adds significant cost to your vehicle plus every time you buy a battery its' higher cost and heaven forbid you need a starter...and if and its a big IF you manage to save .5 MPG over say 20k miles and you got 20 mpg without it and 20.5 with auto stop start...Why you'd save a WHOPPING 86 bucks total over that 20k miles if you paid 3.50 per gallon....If nothing ever broke on it or went bad..You'd hopefully break even at 200k miles or more MAYBE... lol

The above estimations does not add any value to the extreme happiness you have with a car that does not have it....or you defeat it...That's a BIG number too...;) Adds up to one of the dumbest most useless things ever added to a modern car....

The EPA Program Manager for start/stop buttons stood in front of a train to find out if it would kill him with the promise that if it did, all the "technology" with the start/stop buttons would go with him and none of the rest of the EPA communists and nerds would ever be able to figure it out. You know the rest of the story.......

 

[RDH43]

They 100% don't. That would be completely inefficient and pointless. Hybrids charge their batteries using regenerative braking.

LOL...They 100 percent do use the engine for battery charging...The brakes are supplemental charging....


Hybrid vehicles use the gasoline engine to charge their batteries
alongside regenerative braking, which converts kinetic energy into electricity while slowing down. The engine acts as a generator to recharge the battery when it runs, especially during high-speed driving or when extra power is available

 

[RDH43]

It was actually never about YOU saving money, although there is a small benefit of 5% to 7%. It was about emissions at a local and global level for both atmospheric pollution (particulates) and greenhouse gas production. Multiplied up by the global car fleet the impact is huge.

Its never 5 percent....more like 2 percent or less even if you live in city and less in rural.

Not buying it...I 'm guessing more pollution happens at start up lol....and savings will never be huge nor measurable. Show proof of reduced greenhouse gas due to stop start...We'll wait...

Oh and nothing from Greta's playbook allowed...lol


cheers...

 

[Gregs24]

Its never 5 percent....more like 2 percent or less even if you live in city and less in rural.

Not buying it...I 'm guessing more pollution happens at start up lol....and savings will never be huge nor measurable. Show proof of reduced greenhouse gas due to stop start...We'll wait...

Oh and nothing from Greta's playbook allowed...lol


cheers...

No need to guess anything

The actual data and evidence suggests you are incorrect in your assumption. Very easy to find proof in the form of data from different studies around the world.

Influence of the stop/start system on CO2 emissions of a diesel vehicle in urban traffic - ScienceDirect

Do the benefits of stop-start technology outweigh the irritations? — Emissions Analytics

Microsoft Word - Auto-stop-start-in SAE template (edits after review).docx

(PDF) Research on the effects of idling start-stop function on light vehicles fuel consumption and emission under different cycle conditions

 

[Gregs24]

LOL...They 100 percent do use the engine for battery charging...The brakes are supplemental charging....


Hybrid vehicles use the gasoline engine to charge their batteries
alongside regenerative braking, which converts kinetic energy into electricity while slowing down. The engine acts as a generator to recharge the battery when it runs, especially during high-speed driving or when extra power is available

LOL they 100% don't most of the time (exception below). My wife has a a Ford Kuga PHEV. One of the drive modes was charge the battery but that has now been removed from the options since the facelift because it is pointless.

Just think about it for 10 seconds - what is the point of using petrol to charge the battery - it is simply inefficient.

Hybrids (especially FHEV) may use surplus engine power to charge the battery during warming up phases when the engine must run but not when driving normally once warmed up.

 

[RDH43]

No need to guess anything

The actual data and evidence suggests you are incorrect in your assumption. Very easy to find proof in the form of data from different studies around the world.

Influence of the stop/start system on CO2 emissions of a diesel vehicle in urban traffic - ScienceDirect

Do the benefits of stop-start technology outweigh the irritations? — Emissions Analytics

Microsoft Word - Auto-stop-start-in SAE template (edits after review).docx

(PDF) Research on the effects of idling start-stop function on light vehicles fuel consumption and emission under different cycle conditions

Boy those sites really prove the flat world...lol

 

[RDH43]

LOL they 100% don't most of the time (exception below). My wife has a a Ford Kuga PHEV. One of the drive modes was charge the battery but that has now been removed from the options since the facelift because it is pointless.

Just think about it for 10 seconds - what is the point of using petrol to charge the battery - it is simply inefficient.

Hybrids (especially FHEV) may use surplus engine power to charge the battery during warming up phases when the engine must run but not when driving normally once warmed up.

Perfectly clear now why you drink the koolaide.....

 

[Gregs24]

Boy those sites really prove the flat world...lol

Boy that really proves you don't have any interest in data or evidence.

Keeping drinking whatever you drink

 

[Gregs24]

Perfectly clear now why you drink the koolaide.....

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