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Certainly that's possible, but unlikely. Someone has to make the trucks that Americans want to buy and need. I regularly see heavy duty Chevy/Ford/Ram dually trucks hauling loads inconceivable on 'B roads'. Probably 3/4 the size of a semi trailer. This is how a lot of equipment, livestock, and people get moved over here. The Lightning already tried and failed to step in. The cybertruck is neat, but not usable like a truck. The big Nissan & Toyotas are simply not built as tough. This is a business that the US has to have and even if the country (politically) ceased to exist, the need would still be there because of climate, population and geography. Not saying Ford should ignore other country markets, I just don't see it doom and gloom.

Who's going to step in with the one car to rule every market that satisfies every driver? Sure, it's possible someone comes up with the magic combination but humans are fickle.

Sure, restrictive social democracies with the stratospheric fuel costs make the F series impractical, but the tiny, smoke spewing diesel high cubes that seem to dominate the European roadways aren't doing those countries any favors, really. Anyone ever try to run a dually American truck through Scotland? that would be a fun youtube video.

In the mean time, I'm going to go enjoy auto stop start free driving.
Erm it has nothing to do with politics or your lack of understanding in that area - The F150 simply doesn't fit in Europe. It is ludicrously big for our roads, parking spaces etc

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Certainly that's possible, but unlikely. Someone has to make the trucks that Americans want to buy and need. I regularly see heavy duty Chevy/Ford/Ram dually trucks hauling loads inconceivable on 'B roads'. Probably 3/4 the size of a semi trailer. This is how a lot of equipment, livestock, and people get moved over here.
Exactly - the F150 only works in the US (or at least North America) which is where they are all sold pretty much. If Ford want to become the F150 company then fine but that will go badly wrong one day. Just as well they make a range of other cars elsewhere in the world.
 

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Erm it has nothing to do with politics or your lack of understanding in that area - The F150 simply doesn't fit in Europe. It is ludicrously big for our roads, parking spaces etc

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We’re too big or you’re too small? Don’t forget maverick is tiny with all the knowledge gleaned from big bother.
Each are the right size for their home market. But market demands vary.

And yes climate demands will override auto stop start and since ford don't use twin batteries on the mustang electrical demands will override it too.
 
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I think that due to popular demand, there will be a way to permanently disable this "feature" via firmware.
 


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Exactly - the F150 only works in the US (or at least North America) which is where they are all sold pretty much. If Ford want to become the F150 company then fine but that will go badly wrong one day. Just as well they make a range of other cars elsewhere in the world.
Ford already IS the F-series company, its their best selling global brand by a wide margin.

US numbers
828,000 F-series
1,268,000 total truck sales
2,204,000 total US sales

Global numbers
2,728,000 total consumer ICE
1,488,000 Total Fleet ICE
178,000 total EV

just shy of 20% of fords GLOBAL sales is just the F-series in the US

Edit: these are all FY 25 numbers from Fords own press releases
 

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I think that due to popular demand, there will be a way to permanently disable this "feature" via firmware.
Popular demand has nothing to do with it. It's all about regulations, emissions and fuel economy standards. Besides millions of cars have A-S/S so the piddling amount of Mustangs out there is but a grain of sand in the Sahara.
 

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We’re too big or you’re too small? Don’t forget maverick is tiny with all the knowledge gleaned from big bother.
TBF, the Roman empire was not big on heavy duty pickup trucks back in the day. In the Olde country, you can walk, ride or drive on roads that could be 100 years old, or close to 2000 years old, obviously some are more drive-able than others. Ours in the US are comparatively new on average. I was on roads in Scotland that were tight for 2 motorcycles to pass each other. I've spent about 3 months in various European countries, about 40% on a motorcycle.

Erm it has nothing to do with politics or your lack of understanding in that area - The F150 simply doesn't fit in Europe. It is ludicrously big for our roads, parking spaces etc

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Funny you should post a Raptor - a fine example of the F150 and one I'm more familiar with. There are a few Raptor owners in Europe on FRF, and I think one of them quoted an all in expense that was something like 140% of the truck's cost - the rest in fees and taxes.
What's a gallon of gas (petrol) for you today?
For me it's about $3.20 for a gallon - not a liter of_our_ premium, around 93 octane.

it's not like Europeans out there crowing about how inexpensive it is to own a nice car or truck.
And we have our share of poorly built or poorly thought out cities with parking spaces designed for... well, I don't know what. It's not like American cars have been relatively small for a long period of time. This was in Virginia.
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TBF, the Roman empire was not big on heavy duty pickup trucks back in the day. In the Olde country, you can walk, ride or drive on roads that could be 100 years old, or close to 2000 years old, obviously some are more drive-able than others. Ours in the US are comparatively new on average. I was on roads in Scotland that were tight for 2 motorcycles to pass each other. I've spent about 3 months in various European countries, about 40% on a motorcycle.



Funny you should post a Raptor - a fine example of the F150 and one I'm more familiar with. There are a few Raptor owners in Europe on FRF, and I think one of them quoted an all in expense that was something like 140% of the truck's cost - the rest in fees and taxes.
What's a gallon of gas (petrol) for you today?
For me it's about $3.20 for a gallon - not a liter of_our_ premium, around 93 octane.

it's not like Europeans out there crowing about how inexpensive it is to own a nice car or truck.
And we have our share of poorly built or poorly thought out cities with parking spaces designed for... well, I don't know what. It's not like American cars have been relatively small for a long period of time. This was in Virginia.
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Tbh true. Olde country old ways.
Hard to believe the same folks paved the Alps passes. I think I had a chance to ride 6 of them, maybe 7. Bang for your buck, it's among the most fun you can have with a vehicle. Ever.

Literally, you can go from >1000 year old alleys masquerading as roads to some of the finest paved, curve intensive roads on earth in about 15 minutes in some cases.
 

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I wont celebrate until they let me turn off the feature for good without it turning back on ever time I start the car.
Any chance this gets delivered as a software update?
 

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Any chance this gets delivered as a software update?
I’m sure it could be. Time will tell, but it seems unlikely. The ASS impacts fuel economy ratings and they’d probably have to change them if the feature wasn’t defaulted to on.
 

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Hard to believe the same folks paved the Alps passes. I think I had a chance to ride 6 of them, maybe 7. Bang for your buck, it's among the most fun you can have with a vehicle. Ever.

Literally, you can go from >1000 year old alleys masquerading as roads to some of the finest paved, curve intensive roads on earth in about 15 minutes in some cases.
There is a lot of ZTL's all over Italy. That's no vehicle access apart from residents ( who rarely have off street parking anyway) and service vehicles.
I never minded it, so many of their cities are walkable.
I drove the Stelvio in '14, a bloody amazing road. I was wishing for a bike.
 
 








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