A bit more respect!

[Alan Applegate]

I must be an offspring of Rodney Dangerfield: I get no respect! I say this, because I drive a 2024 Eco-Boost! There are no real performance parts available. Except that is, for some bolt-on gadgets like cat back exhaust parts and at least three companies offering CAIs. None of these add-ons actually improve performance, unless you give credit to manufactures' promising statements or like loud exhausts?

Of course, we have the future to look forward to as long as Ford does what they have been doing, by offer a performance package for the vehicle. That would be nice, and I do plan on buying one if and when it becomes available. Until then, there are a few things I’d like to see.

One of those is charge pipes. I have a set on my 2019 Ranger, and that change alone was indeed noticeable. More so I might add, once the other goodies were added and/or tweaked. This said, the Ranger’s factory pipes were a bit restricted, and it appears Ford more of less fixed that issue on the 2024 Mustang. I still like the shiny aluminum piping however.

To go along with those pipes would be a larger intercooler. While adding a bit of ramp up to full turbo pressure, about all they do, without adding other things, is to give you the same performance at a higher ambient temperature. Where I live, Summers can get over 100° with average daily highs hovering around the 95° mark. Lots of cooling is rather important in the desert SW.

I’m not a decal or badge type of guy. Fact is, I’ve always tried to be subtle on the outside while keeping the go-fast goodies under the hood. Sleeper is perhaps the best adjective, but as alluded to above, I’d still like a bit more respect!

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[Wiley Marmot]

Have you considered installing, or having installed a tune?

Both my ’13 Focus ST & ’16 Focus RS were Eco Boosts; I purchased and SCT Tuner from FSWErks in LA with the 93 octane tune they’d developed on their ST test mule. They claimed approximately 30HP and 30 TQ for the tune; and it sure felt like it according to my seat of the pants dyno. I had already installed a Steeda CAI & intke pipe and a Borla touring catback; the tune complimented them very nicely. Full boost came on much sooner than stock (approx. 25% throttle vs about 55% throttle/OEM). Shoot! I gained 1.5 MPG to boot! Started, idled and cruised just like stock.

My RS came with a K & N CAI, catless down pipe and nasty (leaked badly/smelled in the cabin, droned terribly, and was TOO LOUD) courtesy of a previous owner. Swapped out the cat back for a Borla S type and got a bargain on a slightly used OEM catted DP. Took it to Liver nois Motorsports in Dearborn Heights for a 93 octane dyno tune. Man; they knocked it out of the park! A stock RS will dyno at about 275 HP at the wheels in 2WD. MY base pull was 301 HP (apparently I had a tune of unknown parentage in my PCM to go with the needless CAI and other junk parts the car came with).

LMS got 340 at the wheels in 2WD and just under 400 lb/ft of TQ! 65 HP over stock with a tune (I don’t think the CAI or Borla contributed much if anything). Started, idled and cruised just like stock and I didn’t lose any MPG either.

Good luck with whatever you go with!

 

[Alan Applegate]

As you may know, the 2024 is locked down, and so far no one has busted the code. That shouldn't keep the after-market folks from making pipes and other stuff, but so far, nada.

My 2019 Ranger is tuned, piped and a few other goodies. It is only about .2 seconds slower to 60 than the stock 2024 Mustang the extra weight notwithstanding.

 

[Wiley Marmot]

I did NOT know the '24 EBs were also locked down. Dang!

 

[JPGC_S650]

As you may know, the 2024 is locked down, and so far no one has busted the code. That shouldn't keep the after-market folks from making pipes and other stuff, but so far, nada.

My 2019 Ranger is tuned, piped and a few other goodies. It is only about .2 seconds slower to 60 than the stock 2024 Mustang the extra weight notwithstanding.

There will likely continue to be delays and lack of interest from certain manufacturers for both the S650 EB and the GT/Darkhorse until tuning is available for these. Have you researched on if any of the parts (charge pipes, etc.) for the pre-2024 EB will fit?

 

[robvas]

Do charge pipes actually do anything?

Nobody makes a bigger IC for them yet?

do you need a tune for say....a DP?

 

[Alan Applegate]

Say in the last few years, I don't know of anyone who has done a concerted effort to get exact dyno figures with respect to individual add on parts and/or combination of parts. It certainly would make sense, that a larger turbo might require larger pipes to get the full potential from the bigger turbo.

The changes on my Ranger came piecemeal with the exhaust first. That change did make a slight difference in HP and TQ. The CAI came next with another small increment. The Ford tune came next, and that was the whopper change. I then installed the charge pipes, and gained few more points. The intercooler was next and did almost nothing, except during higher ambients. Then tweaking the Ford PT made the next biggest jump.

I have all of the dyno charts but they're not telltale. Ambient temperature, humidity, fuel, and charge algorithms are all variables you almost can't duplicate, even between runs.

There are several major issues with retunes. The biggest one is longevity particularly head gaskets and bottom end strength. I do not know what strength is designed into the Gen3 Eco-Boost, but the Gen2 is in jeopardy at about 400 HP and 420 TQ. Even at this level, use of higher octane (≥E10) fuel is imperative. Adding HP isn't simple. Nor cheap!

 

[MMM981]

Somewhat related question--did Ford improve the IC , to any degree, on the S650 EB?
The S650 is advertised as largely with a completely revised engine,so I would hope they'd have enhaced the IC since the early s550 EBs IC seem marginal at best.

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