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It amazes me how many ā€œprofessional reviewersā€ canā€™t spend $100 and 10 minutes with a Dragy to get some real and useful acceleration info
 

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Underwhelming. 0-60 in 4.8, 1/4 mile in 12.7 at 111.6 mph. It's almost a tie with a 2011 GT M6 that Edmunds tested back then: 4.8, 13.0 at 110.6 mph. 486 hp vs 412 hp. That's what a bad gear ratio change and extra 250 lbs will do, I suppose. For another data point, Car and Driver tested a 2010 Camaro SS and it went 0-60 in 4.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.0 at 111 mph. Edmunds tested a 2010 Camaro SS: 0-60 in 4.7 (5.0 without rollout), and 1/4 mile in 13.0 at 110.9 mph. A decade and a half later and all Ford can do is essentially match these older pony cars? I'm pretty disappointed.
 

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It amazes me how many ā€œprofessional reviewersā€ canā€™t spend $100 and 10 minutes with a Dragy to get some real and useful acceleration info
That's why I appreciate Carwow reviews. When they test 0-60 and 1/4 mile, it's usually pretty accurate and consistent.
 

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Underwhelming. 0-60 in 4.8, 1/4 mile in 12.7 at 111.6 mph. It's almost a tie with a 2011 GT M6 that Edmunds tested back then: 4.8, 13.0 at 110.6 mph. 486 hp vs 412 hp. That's what a bad gear ratio change and extra 250 lbs will do, I suppose. For another data point, Car and Driver tested a 2010 Camaro SS and it went 0-60 in 4.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.0 at 111 mph. Edmunds tested a 2010 Camaro SS: 0-60 in 4.7 (5.0 without rollout), and 1/4 mile in 13.0 at 110.9 mph. A decade and a half later and all Ford can do is essentially match these older pony cars? I'm pretty disappointed.
It's amusing how many people are blaming the car vs the actual drivers and setups in this "review". As we said, Stangmode got it down to 3.8 with the A10 which means the car is still plenty potent and powerful. We all know the manual is slower, but for it to be a full second slower proves to be more of a skill issue than anything else. Let's wait and see true instrument testing from other reviewers before we put all our eggs in "Edmunds".
 


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It's amusing how many people are blaming the car vs the actual drivers and setups in this "review". As we said, Stangmode got it down to 3.8 with the A10 which means the car is still plenty potent and powerful. We all know the manual is slower, but for it to be a full second slower proves to be more of a skill issue than anything else. Let's wait and see true instrument testing from other reviewers before we put all our eggs in "Edmunds".
I quoted other Edmunds past tests for more of an apples to apples comparison. Look at the 1/4 mile trap speeds. All within 1 mph of each other, and this is the brand new 486 hp GT compared to cars from 2010/2011 that have 412 hp (GT) and 426 hp (SS).

As far as 0-60, I don't think Edmunds uses 1-ft roll out in its 0-60 times, hence why they might be a few tenths slower than mags like Car and Driver and MotorTrend. I'm pretty sure the 1/4 mile time includes 1 ft rollout.

That said, the trap speeds being so similar to 5th gen Camaros and Mustangs is a big disappointment for a 7th gen Mustang. C&D and Motortrend were getting 115 mph with the S550 GT M6 2018+. I'd think with another 26 hp they should hit 116 mph despite the extra 50 lbs or so of weight gain. We'll see once they start testing. Both magazines correct for ambient conditions and test on unprepped asphalt (not a sticky prepped surface as some seem to believe).
 

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I quoted other Edmunds past tests for more of an apples to apples comparison. Look at the 1/4 mile trap speeds. All within 1 mph of each other, and this is the brand new 486 hp GT compared to cars from 2010/2011 that have 412 hp (GT) and 426 hp (SS).

As far as 0-60, I don't think Edmunds uses 1-ft roll out in its 0-60 times, hence why they might be a few tenths slower than mags like Car and Driver and MotorTrend. I'm pretty sure the 1/4 mile time includes 1 ft rollout.

That said, the trap speeds being so similar to 5th gen Camaros and Mustangs is a big disappointment for a 7th gen Mustang. C&D and Motortrend were getting 115 mph with the S550 GT M6 2018+. I'd think with another 26 hp they should hit 116 mph despite the extra 50 lbs or so of weight gain. We'll see once they start testing. Both magazines correct for ambient conditions and test on unprepped asphalt (not a sticky prepped surface as some seem to believe).
That's what I'm saying, putting final judgement into this test is just setting yourself up for disappointment. 7th gen should be very similar if not a little better in the quarter mile and 0-60 than the previous gen, as we've seen with other reviewers. One subpar review from them and everyone starts getting their panties in a bunch lol. I mean just above someone said the Ecoboost is close to the GT and that's just blasphemy because we all know that's not true. It's just like the steering issue with Throttle House. I think we're all being or prepared to be very critical on the car and we haven't even gotten real testing for the car yet. It's just a first drive.
 

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Just throwing this out there
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a24847025/2018-ford-mustang-automatic-transmission-performance/
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With this video says the s650 is 3866 lb there seems to be next no real difference in weight fully loaded to fully loaded vs S550. Probably should wait for something else for S650 performance numbers though..
This is what I'm saying. Do we truly believe the S650 is going to be THAT much slower than this? That wouldn't even make sense, even with the small weight increase. Let's all relax. Honestly, I'm more optimistic to the point where it'll be a bit quicker than the 18s.
 

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That's what I'm saying, putting final judgement into this test is just setting yourself up for disappointment. 7th gen should be very similar if not a little better in the quarter mile and 0-60 than the previous gen, as we've seen with other reviewers. One subpar review from them and everyone starts getting their panties in a bunch lol. I mean just above someone said the Ecoboost is close to the GT and that's just blasphemy because we all know that's not true. It's just like the steering issue with Throttle House. I think we're all being or prepared to be very critical on the car and we haven't even gotten real testing for the car yet. It's just a first drive.
Squabbling over tenths of a second and a 1mph trap delta is like the cornerstone of forum discussion

What's puzzling to me is... what was everyone expecting? Same gearing, same overall tire footprint and compound class, 8% peak power difference, 2% peak torque difference, same basic chassis with a <100lb difference in curb weight

Testing conditions and driver capability would make a bigger difference
 

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I think if it weighs the same with 25hp more it will be good for another 1/10th or so... depends how well it puts the power down...assuming the same...

I don't put faith in Stangmode or Edmunds or any magazine... I want to see what real people are putting down at the track...

And even if it's 2/10 slower... who cares... it's slow 0-60 compared to electric family cars... so that shouldn't be what you judge this car by...

If you care about 1/10 or 2/10 here or there in a straight line and you bought a 6 speed car... you bought the wrong car... should have bought an A10

Enjoy the drive... will always be someone faster... just have fun...
 
 




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