Dark Horse Mustang vs. C8 vs. M2 (Savage Geese Comparison Review)

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Its wild to see how underrated BMW's are. Pretty much every M lately has been making 15% more power than suggested

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[ChitownStang]

Its wild to see how underrated BMW's are. Pretty much every M lately has been making 15% more power than suggested

It's always like that with BMW, even my wife's 22 X5 40i rated at 335hp is probably closer to 400hp they say and it feels like it.
I don't understand why they underrate the hp, what's the philosophy here?

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

It's always like that with BMW, even my wife's 22 X5 40i rated at 335hp is probably closer to 400hp they say and it feels like it.
I don't understand why they underrate the hp, what's the philosophy here?

I think its partly to drive excitement with every new M model. "how much power is it going to make over, how fast is it going to be???"

Also partly to satisfy customers. Over the years there have been many many examples of cars overrating power figures and leaving consumers very upset. underrating ensures the consumer is literally always satisfied with the power.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure theres more behind it. Their power ratings go beyond just dyno differences, we've seen them making more at the wheels than whats claimed to be made at the engine in some models.

 

[24CTDH]

Me either.

RIP-IRA lol. thats really good. I saw a guy recently with a plate on a god knows how expensive aston martin that said 'My-401k'. definitely a good chuckle.

It's always like that with BMW, even my wife's 22 X5 40i rated at 335hp is probably closer to 400hp they say and it feels like it.
I don't understand why they underrate the hp, what's the philosophy here?

Under promise then over deliver. nothing makes a customer/patient more pleased.

 

[ChitownStang]

I think its partly to drive excitement with every new M model. "how much power is it going to make over, how fast is it going to be???"

Also partly to satisfy customers. Over the years there have been many many examples of cars overrating power figures and leaving consumers very upset. underrating ensures the consumer is literally always satisfied with the power.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure theres more behind it. Their power ratings go beyond just dyno differences, we've seen them making more at the wheels than whats claimed to be made at the engine in some models.

RIP-IRA lol. thats really good. I saw a guy recently with a plate on a god knows how expensive aston martin that said 'My-401k'. definitely a good chuckle.



Under promise then over deliver. nothing makes a customer/patient more pleased.

That's not a Ford thing I guess...LOL

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

That's not a Ford thing I guess...LOL

Ford stays on the safe side of underpromising after the 1999 Cobra fiasco, but nothing like BMW. Its a lot easier to make more power when you can just ask a turbo to cram a little more air into each cylinder

 

[Kevi]

So Chevy stops building a car in the same class as the Mustang. So now everyone just goes oh well let's just compare it to a mid engine all wheel drive hyper car thats not in the same class. It makes no sense. Just a cheap way for chevy guys to pound their chests over it. Plain stupid.

Well blame ford for putting a basic handling package on a mustang and giving it an exclusive name and pricing it the same as the base corvette. The Dark Horse is a silly trim level imho.. it's not a different car than the GT. It should have had the bigger engine from the GT350 at the least to differentiate it. The C8 and Z06 is a good example of how you do a higher trim level.

 

[ChitownStang]

Well blame ford for putting a basic handling package on a mustang and giving it an exclusive name and pricing it the same as the base corvette. The Dark Horse is a silly trim level imho.. it's not a different car than the GT. It should have had the bigger engine from the GT350 at the least to differentiate it. The C8 and Z06 is a good example of how you do a higher trim level.

Here we go again on the GT is same as Mach 1 and now the Dark Horse.
There is a a large # of upgrades/changes to cosmetic, engine, suspension from GT to DH.
It's similar to the Z51 and every other little package options on the Corvette that you pay for.
You paid $1400 for the Night Pony package?? cmon
Yes it's overpriced , but so is everything and if you're smart, you don't pay anywhere close to sticker when you buy any 3 of these cars.

Zo6 and Shelby are another price range and HP level

 

[Junkyard Dog]

The Dark Horse is a silly trim level imho.

I have been enjoying my silly trim level. It's a great track car.

 

[Germansheperd]

Its wild to see how underrated BMW's are. Pretty much every M lately has been making 15% more power than suggested

BMW must have their own rating system or deliberately underrate.
Years ago I bought new 225hp 530i and I swear it was the most powerful 225hp car I ever drove.

 

[NovaSayan]

I have been enjoying my silly trim level. It's a great track car.

Based off the video they mentioned how they believe the M2 has better cooling and that the Dark Horse was starting to pull timing. I remember CarAndDriver reporting high transmission fluid temps in the Automatic during their Lighting Lap. How’s your experience been with the cooling during track?

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

BMW must have their own rating system or deliberately underrate.
Years ago I bought new 225hp 530i and I swear it was the most powerful 225hp car I ever drove.

Its not even that they underrate, but the curve is also so beefy. Theres torque throughout the entire range, so it also *feels* fast as fuck

 

[S550VIN54]

Maybe it's to keep the insurance lower. I thought I remember hearing that back in the day when the big 3 were producing musle cars.

I did notice that my insurance with no points has increased significantly over the c8 Corvette premium I use to own. From what I am being told they are rated differently is the reasoning.

 

[Germansheperd]

Maybe it's to keep the insurance lower. I thought I remember hearing that back in the day when the big 3 were producing musle cars.

I did notice that my insurance with no points has increased significantly over the c8 Corvette premium I use to own. From what I am being told they are rated differently is the reasoning.

They are rated different. My C8 is the cheapest car I own to insure.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

It's always like that with BMW, even my wife's 22 X5 40i rated at 335hp is probably closer to 400hp they say and it feels like it.
I don't understand why they underrate the hp, what's the philosophy here?

Easy philosophy.

You know that your car is making that number AT LEAST. That makes the real car enthousiast wonder how much it REALLY makes. So people go on dyno's to check what surprise they will get.

Unlike American cars claiming to have 486 horsepower for the GT and it will do 400hp on the dyno.

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