Do you think S650 Mustang Sales Will Start Increasing Now?

[Gregs24]

Supply inflation

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[Zig]

Not taken the tablets this morning?

 

[AzkAdAsh]

Is it production or distribution that causes the delay? Once the order hits the line it’s usually done in 7 days, on average?

Once it hits the assembly line, it typically goes pretty fast from there. The major bottlenecks occur after placing the order with waiting for the VIN and production start dates. Special orders have to be squeezed into the production line which is already operating at capacity to keep lots stocked with cars for inventory. They need to make sure they have the parts for the options for the special order in place at the build stations when the car is ready to be built and that all of the different sections of the production line are ready to build to the special order specs. This is easier for some manufacturers than others. After the logistics are in line, a build date has been issued, and the car is built, the next significant portion is shipping. This can take anywhere from a couple of days to several months depending on how it's being shipped, where it's being shipped to, and the time of year that it is being shipped.

Because of laws that affect most car dealerships, they are not operated by the manufacturer directly and are owned by private 3rd party groups, the process takes a bit of time to navigate the order process. The exception is Tesla, who fought and won their case to be able to operate their own dealerships and sell directly to customers without the 3rd party dealership system.

 

[Zuko]

Throwing the warranty out the window on a 65k vehicle doesn't make sense for me. But that's just me.

 

[Gregs24]

Nothing to do with what I was posting.

I was talking about recent (as in not Model T Ford) inflationary pressure on car parts as a result of chip shortages, Covid and tariffs.

You were posting random words, half sentences (as usual) and missing the point.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Will make no difference - people will just buy higher spec SUV's.

Also it is easy to blame the economy, but people who buy Mustang's are a lot less affected than those on much lower incomes.

Most people don't buy coupes any more, that is the long and short of it.

I gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Gregs24]

New sales will increase but new car sales won't. IMO

Meaning?

 

[Gregs24]

I gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

Time will tell who is correct

 

[Zig]

Nothing to do with what I was posting.

I was talking about recent (as in not Model T Ford) inflationary pressure on car parts as a result of chip shortages, Covid and tariffs.

You were posting random words, half sentences (as usual) and missing the point.

I am in the UK and about £4k of the increase here is tax. In France it is a huge amount more, not sure about Germany.

UK pricing for the base car has changed little when taking inflation and spec into account.

UK inflation since 2015 takes the old V8 GT price from £33k to £51k using the Bank of England inflation calculator. In that time our first registration VED has increased by £4300 taking that to £55,300 and the new car is £58400 here. There are considerable improvements in spec.

So in the UK the price in real terms is pretty competitive and certainly no greed on Ford's part.

Obviously it is US supply inflation that is actually the driving force for Ford prices which could well be higher.

See corrected figures below

“Obviously it is US supply inflation that is actually the driving force for Ford prices “

 

[Gregs24]

“Obviously it is US supply inflation that is actually the driving force for Ford prices “

Correct - well read!

Nothing to do with an AI generated Google response based on the Model T production line that you posted.

 

[Zig]

Correct - well read!

Nothing to do with an AI generated Google response based on the Model T production line that you posted.

Was it the model t or the assembly line that created success? Was the assembly line fords fix to the production issues of the day, be it influenza or depression. Was it doing the same as everyone else or unique innovation that set them apart?

 

[Gregs24]

Was it the model t or the assembly line that created success? Was the assembly line fords fix to the production issues of the day, be it influenza or depression. Was it doing the same as everyone else or unique innovation that set them apart?

Enjoy your philosophy, it has nothing to do with me or this thread

 

[NuclearDiode]

What do you think Ford should do to make the Mustang more appealing?

That’s the billion dollar question.

Personally, Ford needs to revive SVT or revamp Ford Performance. There needs to be a performance-oriented group that focused on performance vehicles. Ford Performance just doesn’t have that…credibility and clout like SVT. BMW has the M line. MB has the AMG line. Toyota has the GR line. Nissan has the Nismo line. Stellantis is bringing back SRT (CARB and EPA killed off SRT). And GM had nothing…which killed the Camaro.

Also, I don’t want a woman designing my performance Mustangs (like the Dark Horse, and I don’t care if your dog’s name is Shelby). Males and females excel at specific roles. Most of the performance Mustang buyers are males.

Specifically, Ford needs to target a 3,500 - 3,600 lbs Mustang that’s around $45K - $60K. No silly, cheap screens like the S650. No gimmicks. Just one screen for the infotainment, traditional buttons. Work with the tariffs achieve this price bracket. Let the buyers modify the Mustang as they please, as well, no more locking ECUs stuff. And work with aftermarket companies, learn from them and listen to them.

And why isn’t there some department or group at Ford working to push Coyote swaps into older cars? That’s a growing segment. Facilitate the obtaining of parts for these Coyote swaps. This all works in favor of growing the Ford and Mustang brand.

Finally, market the car! When John Wick showed up with an older Mustang, why didn’t Ford lock that franchise to always feature a Mustang? Instead, Dodge sweeps in and takes Ford’s lunch by featuring a new Charger. Just look at the Fast and Furious franchise, Dodge locked in Dominic driving a Mopar of some sort in all the movies. The MKV Supra was a relatively regular car until it was featured in the Fast and Furious movie. Now people are buying these Supras and restoring them for crazy prices. That’s the power of marketing.

 

[Zig]

Enjoy your philosophy, it has nothing to do with me or this thread

“An important outcome of the moving assembly line was the drop in price for the Model T. In 1908, the car sold for $825 and by 1925 it only sold for only $260, making the car more affordable to individuals everywhere. Most especially, it allowed employees of Ford Motor Company to be able to have a better life and to be able to afford the product that they built.”

https://corporate.ford.com/articles/history/moving-assembly-line.html

I am in the UK and about £4k of the increase here is tax. In France it is a huge amount more, not sure about Germany.

UK pricing for the base car has changed little when taking inflation and spec into account.

UK inflation since 2015 takes the old V8 GT price from £33k to £51k using the Bank of England inflation calculator. In that time our first registration VED has increased by £4300 taking that to £55,300 and the new car is £58400 here. There are considerable improvements in spec.

So in the UK the price in real terms is pretty competitive and certainly no greed on Ford's part.

Obviously it is US supply inflation that is actually the driving force for Ford prices which could well be higher.

See corrected figures below

‘Supply inflation’ is what and solved how?

 

[Gregs24]

That’s the billion dollar question.

Personally, Ford needs to revive SVT or revamp Ford Performance. There needs to be a performance-oriented group that focused on performance vehicles. Ford Performance just doesn’t have that…credibility and clout like SVT. BMW has the M line. MB has the AMG line. Toyota has the GR line. Nissan has the Nismo line. Stellantis is bringing back SRT (CARB and EPA killed off SRT). And GM had nothing…which killed the Camaro.

Also, I don’t want a woman designing my performance Mustangs (like the Dark Horse, and I don’t care if your dog’s name is Shelby). Males and females excel at specific roles. Most of the performance Mustang buyers are males.

Specifically, Ford needs to target a 3,500 - 3,600 lbs Mustang that’s around $45K - $60K. No silly, cheap screens like the S650. No gimmicks. Just one screen for the infotainment, traditional buttons. Work with the tariffs achieve this price bracket. Let the buyers modify the Mustang as they please, as well, no more locking ECUs stuff. And work with aftermarket companies, learn from them and listen to them.

And why isn’t there some department or group at Ford working to push Coyote swaps into older cars? That’s a growing segment. Facilitate the obtaining of parts for these Coyote swaps. This all works in favor of growing the Ford and Mustang brand.

Finally, market the car! When John Wick showed up with an older Mustang, why didn’t Ford lock that franchise to always feature a Mustang? Instead, Dodge sweeps in and takes Ford’s lunch by featuring a new Charger. Just look at the Fast and Furious franchise, Dodge locked in Dominic driving a Mopar of some sort in all the movies. The MKV Supra was a relatively regular car until it was featured in the Fast and Furious movie. Now people are buying these Supras and restoring them for crazy prices. That’s the power of marketing.

Also, I don’t want a woman designing my performance Mustangs

Grow up! Misogyny will not 'fix' the Mustang.

Work with the tariffs

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