Do you think S650 Mustang Sales Will Start Increasing Now?

[JohnWimsey]

Will make no difference - people will just buy higher spec SUV's.

Also it is easy to blame the economy, but people who buy Mustang's are a lot less affected than those on much lower incomes.

Most people don't buy coupes any more, that is the long and short of it.

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[Gregs24]

I would slightly disagree. Swindling demand for coups/convertibles is most likely a strong factor but if demand was higher I doubt Mustang sales would be greatly affected by it. The S650 isn’t such a compelling offering after all. I just test drove one last week and in it on itself it’s a great car but certainly not worth 65000€ or $76000. It feels slow and compared to other offerings at that price point it feels very outdated and outclassed. 10 years ago we could buy the S550 for a little over 42000€ or $46000. That’s a price increase of almost 55% in 10 years for a product that hasn’t changed all that much. Inflation in the same period was 26.5%...

Yes but taxes have changed a lot which is outside of Ford's control.

I personally have an S650 and the only real direct (ish) competitors are the M2/M4 or the CLE in Europe. All of which are more expensive. €40k only gets you a mid range SUV now.

 

[IceGamer]

Yes but taxes have changed a lot which is outside of Ford's control.

I personally have an S650 and the only real direct (ish) competitors are the M2/M4 or the CLE in Europe. All of which are more expensive. €40k only gets you a mid range SUV now.

Well, I can’t speak for the US but in Germany taxes haven’t changed all that much. What has changed is Fords pricing… Not saying Ford shouldn’t have increased prices but if inflation is 26% and prices go up by 50% I would call that greed… It's not that they didn't make any money prior to the increase, nor am I saying Ford is unique in that regard but if you price your customers out of the market don’t blame the economy…

 

[Gregs24]

Well, I can’t speak for the US but in Germany taxes haven’t changed all that much. What has changed is Fords pricing… Not saying Ford shouldn’t have increased prices but if inflation is 26% and prices go up by 50% I would call that greed… It's not that they didn't make any money prior to the increase, nor am I saying Ford is unique in that regard but if you price your customers out of the market don’t blame the economy…

I am in the UK and about £4k of the increase here is tax. In France it is a huge amount more, not sure about Germany.

UK pricing for the base car has changed little when taking inflation and spec into account.

UK inflation since 2015 takes the old V8 GT price from £33k to £51k using the Bank of England inflation calculator. In that time our first registration VED has increased by £4300 taking that to £55,300 and the new car is £58400 here. There are considerable improvements in spec.

So in the UK the price in real terms is pretty competitive and certainly no greed on Ford's part.

Obviously it is US supply inflation that is actually the driving force for Ford prices which could well be higher.

See corrected figures below

 

[Zig]

supply inflation

^ was that the original fix that propelled ford?

 

[IceGamer]

I am in the UK and about £4k of the increase here is tax. In France it is a huge amount more, not sure about Germany.

UK pricing for the base car has changed little when taking inflation and spec into account.

UK inflation since 2015 takes the old V8 GT price from £33k to £51k using the Bank of England inflation calculator. In that time our first registration VED has increased by £4300 taking that to £55,300 and the new car is £58400 here. There are considerable improvements in spec.

So in the UK the price in real terms is pretty competitive and certainly no greed on Ford's part.

Obviously it is US supply inflation that is actually the driving force for Ford prices which could well be higher.

Funny, If I use the same calculator it says 33000 pound in 2015 are equal to 45600 pounds in 2025...

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator

 

[Gregs24]

Funny, If I use the same calculator it says 33000 pound in 2015 are equal to 45600 pounds in 2025...

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator

So it does! I must have put in a wrong figure. So that makes the £33k equivalent to £50k after the tax increases, compared to £58400 today.

Not a totally unreasonable £8k more considering the changes since then.

As before you would need to use the actual inflationary costs for Ford rather than consumer RPI etc to find the real difference.

 

[Gregs24]

^ was that the original fix that propelled ford?

No idea what that means?

 

[AzkAdAsh]

Who placed the order for the lot?

The sales director

 

[Zig]

No idea what that means?

Did the assembly line address that issue and put ford on the map?

 

[Zig]

The sales director

If only the director ordered exactly what the customer wanted and it resulted in a sale everytime, i’m sure that’d result in a lovely situation

 

[Gregs24]

Did the assembly line address that issue and put ford on the map?

Still no idea what you are talking about

 

[AzkAdAsh]

If only the director ordered exactly what the customer wanted and it resulted in a sale everytime, i’m sure that’d result in a lovely situation

It would be, yes. But the lead time for special orders can be long. My last one took a year and a half. Not everyone has that kind of time to wait when they need a new car. A lot of people who are looking to buy a car are relying on driving it off of the lot the same day. If a dealership didn't have on-hand inventory that they could offload directly to customers, they wouldn't have any way of generating revenue between the special orders and would likely be out of business before the first SO was delivered. Your standard new car dealership can survive without special orders, but they can't survive without on-hand inventory.

To be clear, this is for most dealerships. It does not apply to high-end luxury and supercar manufacturers who only build cars to order.

 

[Zig]

It would be, yes. But the lead time for special orders can be long. My last one took a year and a half. Not everyone has that kind of time to wait when they need a new car. A lot of people who are looking to buy a car are relying on driving it off of the lot the same day. If a dealership didn't have on-hand inventory that they could offload directly to customers, they wouldn't have any way of generating revenue between the special orders and would likely be out of business before the first SO was delivered. Your standard new car dealership can survive without special orders, but they can't survive without on-hand inventory.

To be clear, this is for most dealerships. It does not apply to high-end luxury and supercar manufacturers who only build cars to order.

Is it production or distribution that causes the delay? Once the order hits the line it’s usually done in 7 days, on average?

 

[Zig]

Still no idea what you are talking about

Supply inflation

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