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1: No, the Camaro didn't "hand BMW/Porsche/Audi their lunch and dinners". It matched the M4 in performance metrics and lost by a few tenths on the track, but still got the overall win. The 2011 S197 Mustang did this to the E93 M3 back in 2011 and MT gave the BMW the win. It boils down to the automotive press have a vested interest in hyping up GM, both because it creates a great "comeback hero" narrative and it keeps those GM sponsorship and advertising dollars flowing. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.Come on Todd I love ya but your comment is ridiculous.
No Ford didn't respond to MT article within a week...they responded over the last 6 months and seeing the competition that the Camaro is eating their lunch and dinners. Like it or not Chevy delivered in the performance category in spades.
Sure Ford picked BMW/Porsche/Audi as benchmarks but Chevy picked them also and is actually handing it to them in their base SS model...while Ford requires their GT350 to be in the same ballpark.
So Ford can sit there and say...we don't car about Camaro...that's fine...Camaro targeted the same cars that Ford did and is making good.
The report was also supposedly a year ago...my guess is still that they realized they couldn't be on a 7-8 year refresh cycle anymore and with competition across the board needed to keep things fresh.
2: The Ford timeline for the S550 was set years ago, and except for very minor stuff, isn't going to be changed by the Camaro. The decision to shift the generation change from 2023 to 2020 was made prior to June 2015, it was only reported in June 2015. Might the Camaro be influencing things now? Sure. However, with sales going so well, and the Camaro progressively moving up market and not setting the sales world on fire with amazing numbers being moved, I doubt Ford is losing a ton of sleep over the Camaro.
I promise you, people who traditionally buy performance trims of EuroCar brands...(BMW M cars, Audi RS series, Porsche GTX etc) are not suddenly going to be like a repentant sinner having a born again moment and see the gross errors of their ways and beg father GM for forgiveness and adopt the Camaro. They view the M3/M4/M5, RS, GT3, etc..as what they're intended to be: performance status symbols.
And try so hard as it might, perform as well as it can and be a performance bargain (which it is)..the Camaro will not be shedding the stigma of the 3rd and 4th Gen anytime soon.
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