Why's Ford not allowing people to tune the S650 Mustang?

[Gregs24]

Has it changed for the good or the bad? I mean do the kids of today realize how crappy they have it?

is it called an api for a reason?

Modern cars are far more reliable so probably for the better.

Out of the box performance of modern cars blows old stuff away, even modded.

I drove a standard V8 S197 a few days ago - it was 20 years old and felt very old fashioned - in a bad way!

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[GrabThatBlue]

Modern cars are far more reliable so probably for the better.

Out of the box performance of modern cars blows old stuff away, even modded.

I drove a standard V8 S197 a few days ago - it was 20 years old and felt very old fashioned - in a bad way!

That we can drive faster now than 500 years ago, doesn't mean people from 500 years ago enjoyed the ride less.

 

[Zig]

Modern cars are far more reliable so probably for the better.

Out of the box performance of modern cars blows old stuff away, even modded.

I drove a standard V8 S197 a few days ago - it was 20 years old and felt very old fashioned - in a bad way!

But with their genius they removed abilities?

 

[robvas]

Modern cars are far more reliable so probably for the better.

Out of the box performance of modern cars blows old stuff away, even modded.

I drove a standard V8 S197 a few days ago - it was 20 years old and felt very old fashioned - in a bad way!

Cars in the last five years are unreliable compared to before

Between the COVID quality drops and downfalls of modern engineering

we have 10r80s that randomly shift themselves, gm 6.2 and Toyota V6's shitting themselves, tiny Korean four cylinders than consume turbos, plastic parts that crumble...

 

[robvas]

Who is making more than 1000 whp? This is not bhp - it's whp!

Welcome to last year

https://www.hotrod.com/news/evolution-performance-2024-mustang-record

 

[Gregs24]

Cars in the last five years are unreliable compared to before

Between the COVID quality drops and downfalls of modern engineering

we have 10r80s that randomly shift themselves, gm 6.2 and Toyota V6's shitting themselves, tiny Korean four cylinders than consume turbos, plastic parts that crumble...

Reliability by brand and model varies by year but that is a properly sweeping statement to suggest all car reliability has fallen without actual data to back it up!

Where did your evidence come from?

 

[Gregs24]

But with their genius they removed abilities?

Ehh?

Modern cars have way more ability and abilities. Old cars had a steering wheel, some pedals, a few doors and a gearstick.

Look at factory performance for old cars compared to even run of the mill modern cars, never mind the better fuel efficiency.

So no - just the opposite

 

[Gregs24]

That we can drive faster now than 500 years ago, doesn't mean people from 500 years ago enjoyed the ride less.

Well 500 years is pushing it but it isn't just speed. Handling of old cars was flaky, tyres were poor, brakes were poor etc.

It can be argued that driving a bad car slowly can be more exciting than driving a good car fast as the limits today are so high but I certainly wouldn't give away the modern improvements for a choke, crappy brakes, poor fuel consumption, wheezy engines and wobbly handling thanks.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

Well 500 years is pushing it but it isn't just speed. Handling of old cars was flaky, tyres were poor, brakes were poor etc.

It can be argued that driving a bad car slowly can be more exciting than driving a good car fast as the limits today are so high but I certainly wouldn't give away the modern improvements for a choke, crappy brakes, poor fuel consumption, wheezy engines and wobbly handling thanks.

Again, you are comparing the tech of back in the days with the tech of now with the knowledge of now.

Your theory is only right if you have a time machine when you can travel back and forth.

 

[Zig]

Well 500 years is pushing it but it isn't just speed. Handling of old cars was flaky, tyres were poor, brakes were poor etc.

It can be argued that driving a bad car slowly can be more exciting than driving a good car fast as the limits today are so high but I certainly wouldn't give away the modern improvements for a choke, crappy brakes, poor fuel consumption, wheezy engines and wobbly handling thanks.

Which means the ‘api’ of old has to be removed? We’re able to ‘turn off selected nannies’, why did the improvements require the removal from the customer, once i own it i can mod it but I can’t use their software. In days gone by you could swap the carb but super computer improvements now require a computer swap to do the same? Why when api’s exist?

 

[robvas]

Reliability by brand and model varies by year but that is a properly sweeping statement to suggest all car reliability has fallen without actual data to back it up!

Where did your evidence come from?

Plenty of studies and data out there

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/car-quality-still-suffering-from-pandemic-era-jd-power-finds/

 

[robvas]

Modern cars have gone downhill in so many ways. We could start a whole thread on that.

locked ECUs are just the befinning

you have these horrible cylinder deactivation setups

"Filled for life" transmissions

HVAC systems that have the controls in a $2,000 touch sscren

reporting your private data back to the manufcturer

Subscription features like heated seats

the list goes on

 

[ChitownStang]

Modern cars have gone downhill in so many ways. We could start a whole thread on that.

locked ECUs are just the befinning

you have these horrible cylinder deactivation setups

"Filled for life" transmissions

HVAC systems that have the controls in a $2,000 touch sscren

reporting your private data back to the manufcturer

Subscription features like heated seats

the list goes on

It’s not just cars. Society wants to put all their data in the cloud, give all control to offsite services.
It baffles me why society wants this so bad when the consequences are right in front of their face.

 

[Gregs24]

Modern cars have gone downhill in so many ways. We could start a whole thread on that.

locked ECUs are just the befinning

you have these horrible cylinder deactivation setups

"Filled for life" transmissions

HVAC systems that have the controls in a $2,000 touch sscren

reporting your private data back to the manufcturer

Subscription features like heated seats

the list goes on

Don't buy one then.

Ford don't do the last of those and data can be controlled (better in Europe).

The others are a fine by me.

Many consider these uphill not downhill!

 

[Gregs24]

Which means the ‘api’ of old has to be removed? We’re able to ‘turn off selected nannies’, why did the improvements require the removal from the customer, once i own it i can mod it but I can’t use their software. In days gone by you could swap the carb but super computer improvements now require a computer swap to do the same? Why when api’s exist?

You know why. It is locked for a reason which you also know.

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