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[B229218]

Very interesting article from Edmund’s

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[B229218]

Sorry about making this article so long when did I didn’t know how to edit out unnecessary pages.
I guess the point of this article is I wonder what additional parts are tuning for did to the new SC and GTD Mustang so this would not happen on a road course,
Just like technology from the Corvette or trickle down to the Camaro, hopefully these top dollar Mustang technologies will trickle down to us little guys
The moral of the story matches with the advice I have gotten from this board. The Whipples are OK as long as you do occasional hits which you have to keep it cool down in between runs.

 

[robvas]

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/threads/edmunds-supercharged-dark-horse-broke.174631/

 

[135Hoser]

SC and GTD have a different front bumper/grille and pack in more/larger heat exchangers.

There is little technology to "trickle down". the GTD/SC had their thermal systems designed to accommodate the additional power being made.

As an example, the C8 ZR1 corvette has 13 heat exchangers, and got rid of the frunk so they could, you guessed it, put in larger heat exchangers.

Base tier mustang will go into limp mode if you beat on it. it gets slightly better if you option the performance pack, but a skilled driver putting down many hot laps can still overwhelm the system. Add in consistently higher ambient temps, and fords unwillingness to do better at this price point, and then the customer throws a supercharger on it?

This is all kind of to be expected.

Heck, even the C7 Z06 which was supposed to be a racier version of a car that pretends to be more track oriented than the mustang, would overheat after a couple laps. Chevy had to revise the cooling system and do a recall to address owner complaints, and even then it wasn't perfect.

EDIT: Also, Edmunds is garbage. Car mag complains about a check engine light, which could mean thousands of things are going on. No reporting in the article about a white coating on the tail pipes which is indicative of cat failure, because that'd be less dramatic? But they're sure to tell the reader just how hot cats operate at. Then they go on to complain about dyno numbers where the difference reported using their figures is around 5% which is reasonable. "Dyno operator told us car was running rich, but we decided to go full send anyway"

Unrelated, dealer just replaced my spark plugs because I was having a rough idle. issue still exists but it seems to pull a bit harder. idk.

 

[BuckeyeBOSS]

Do the Prochargers produce less heat than the Whipples on these cars?

 

[B229218]

I think the best way to handle track heat for you to run a enter chiller system, and if we can get tuners to crack the code so to speak, then we can get the computer to allow larger oil coolers. I did two hits yesterday and the oil was almost at 250°
No, I’m running for synthetic shouldn’t be a problem, but I still try to keep under Hood temps cool as possible. I was a shock took them two months to get their car back. Has anybody else has civil experiences with Whipple or Ford performance warranty claims?

Do the Prochargers produce less heat than the Whipples on these cars?

I believe so since they’re not really bolted over the engine like a traditional blower is

 

[B229218]

SC and GTD have a different front bumper/grille and pack in more/larger heat exchangers.

There is little technology to "trickle down". the GTD/SC had their thermal systems designed to accommodate the additional power being made.

As an example, the C8 ZR1 corvette has 13 heat exchangers, and got rid of the frunk so they could, you guessed it, put in larger heat exchangers.

Base tier mustang will go into limp mode if you beat on it. it gets slightly better if you option the performance pack, but a skilled driver putting down many hot laps can still overwhelm the system. Add in consistently higher ambient temps, and fords unwillingness to do better at this price point, and then the customer throws a supercharger on it?

This is all kind of to be expected.

Heck, even the C7 Z06 which was supposed to be a racier version of a car that pretends to be more track oriented than the mustang, would overheat after a couple laps. Chevy had to revise the cooling system and do a recall to address owner complaints, and even then it wasn't perfect.

EDIT: Also, Edmunds is garbage. Car mag complains about a check engine light, which could mean thousands of things are going on. No reporting in the article about a white coating on the tail pipes which is indicative of cat failure, because that'd be less dramatic? But they're sure to tell the reader just how hot cats operate at. Then they go on to complain about dyno numbers where the difference reported using their figures is around 5% which is reasonable. "Dyno operator told us car was running rich, but we decided to go full send anyway"

Unrelated, dealer just replaced my spark plugs because I was having a rough idle. issue still exists but it seems to pull a bit harder. idk.

So tell me, you don’t like the article without telling me you don’t like the article

 

[robvas]

I think the best way to handle track heat for you to run a enter chiller system

There's blower/IAT temp, oil temp, engine coolant temp, trans temp, diff temp. That's only going to fix one of those.

 

[B229218]

Then go on buy an S5 50 the computers aren’t locked. There’s no way around this problem other than buying a dark horse or an SC is gonna have all the parimeters set up for extra cooling. That’s a problem with locked ECU’s. Or wait for some tuner to be able to get in hacked the system then we can put our giant oil coolers transmission, coolers 20 fans on it where the hell we need and hopefully the computer would read them. I’m not holding my breath.

 

[B229218]

Or like the above member asked about use a centrifugal blower I don’t have an experience with those. It seems like they would not heat up the oil and the engine as much especiallyif you pump the air through a giant cooler it shouldn’t heat up the intake track that much either. Maybe that’s the key for road racing I would think turbos would build or throw off too much heat under the hood.

Bottom line I think Whipples and the lake are good for occasional street hit and drag racing for back to back repeated ability an endurance racing. I would see either buy the most expensive factory set up You can get a.k.a. SC or GTD
o r roll your own with a Centri.

 

[GooberDH]

Heck, even the C7 Z06 which was supposed to be a racier version of a car that pretends to be more track oriented than the mustang, would overheat after a couple laps. Chevy had to revise the cooling system and do a recall to address owner complaints, and even then it wasn't perfect.

Can't blame Chevy for that one. How could they ever predict their Corvettes would do anything more than haul people to the golf course at the speed limit or minus 5mph on Sundays when the weather is nice

 

[Neggytive]

there is no Ford or Whipple fix , outside of warranty replacements for the Cats that are melting due to high flow/high heat /extended high RPM use even on the Ford/Whipple approved tune

 

[Twizzty]

Do the Prochargers produce less heat than the Whipples on these cars?

Yes, this is what Steeda uses on their Q package supercharged S650 track cars and it works well.

 

[agreywolfe]

Do the Prochargers produce less heat than the Whipples on these cars?

Yes, generally the least heat efficient is a roots blower, centris are a bit better, and turbos are best when it comes to heat.

That’s a problem with locked ECU’s. Or wait for some tuner to be able to get in hacked the system

ECUs been cracked since late last year.

 

[rbuike]

"we're going back to the track to retest and re-race the Dark Horse."

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