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Screens—A love-hate relationship

Alan Applegate

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Screens: Just about everyone on this site has commented on, has had the problem first hand, or soon will have, the proverbial blank screen! Add in the complexity of setting each available option, and the situation gets old very quickly. Thankfully, most of the settings are one-time ordeals, save for the occasional glitch which resets every one of them! Even then, I have to reset five of the settings, to get to the drive mode I want to use because the Mustang button doesn’t do what Ford says it should.

There is one good thing about these screens, there is only two of them. I mention this, because the fancier model of the Ram pickup has three! The third is for the passenger to fiddle with! Perhaps Stellantis decided it was better for the passenger to be distracted, than the driver!

In case you missed the point, all of this ‘glass’ is a major distraction to the driver, whether it is fiddling with the volume control, adjusting the temperature, or figuring out which phrase to use to get the voice control to understand what you want done. Artificial Intelligent, it is not! In the mean time, you’ve nearly ditched the vehicle! Sure makes me wonder how the heck pilots figure out which button to push to switch their screens, each of which has at least twenty functions!

If all of this messy routine isn’t enough, now Google, SiriusXM, and others have figured out how to distract us even more, by using these ubiquitous screens to blab out advertisements, video and all!

For some time, vehicle manufacturers have known how distracting screens can be. To wit is the following article in its entirety.

CARMAKERS UNITE AROUND PRIVACY PROTECTIONS

By JOAN LOWY, Associated Press

Nov. 13, 2014 12:01 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nineteen automakers accounting for most of the passenger cars and trucks sold in the U.S. have signed onto a set of principles they say will protect motorists' privacy in an era when computerized cars pass along more information about their drivers than many motorists realize.

The principles were delivered in a letter Wednesday to the Federal Trade Commission, which has the authority to force corporations to live up to their promises to consumers. Industry officials say they want to assure their customers that the information that their cars stream back to automakers or that is downloaded from the vehicle's computers won't be handed over to authorities without a court order, sold to insurance companies or used to bombard them with ads for pizza parlors, gas stations or other businesses they drive past, without their permission.

The principles also commit automakers to "implement reasonable measures" to protect personal information from unauthorized access.

Many recent-model cars and light trucks have GPS and mobile communications technology integrated into the vehicle's computers and navigation systems. Information on where drivers have been and where they're going is continually sent to manufacturers when the systems are in use. Consumers benefit from alerts sent by automakers about traffic conditions and concierge services that are able to unlock car doors and route drivers around the path of a storm.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is also working with automakers on regulations that will clear the way for vehicle-to-vehicle communications. The technology uses a radio signal to continually transmit a vehicle's position, heading, speed and other information. Similarly equipped cars and trucks would receive the same information, and their computers would alert drivers to an impending collision.

"As modern cars not only share the road but will in the not too distant future communicate with one another, vigilance over the privacy of our customers and the security of vehicle systems is an imperative," said John Bozzella, president of Global Automakers, an industry trade association.

The automakers' principles leave open the possibility of deals with advertisers who want to target motorists based on their location and other personal data, but only if customers agree ahead of time that they want to receive such information, industry officials said in a briefing with reporters.

"Google may want to become an automaker, but we don't want to become Google," said Mitch Bainwol, president of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers.

The possibility of ads popping up on the computer screens in cars while drivers are behind the wheel worries some safety advocates.

"There is going to be a huge amount of metadata that companies would like to mine to send advertisements to you in your vehicle," said Henry Jasny of Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety. "We don't want pop-up ads to become a distraction."

Industry officials say they oppose federal legislation to require privacy protections, saying that would be too "prescriptive." But Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said legislation is needed to ensure automakers don't back off the principles when they become inconvenient.

"You just don't want your car spying on you," he said. "That's the practical consequence of a lot of the new technologies that are being built into cars."

The automakers signing on to the principles are Aston Martin, BMW, Chrysler, Ferrari, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Maserati, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Porsche, Subaru, Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo.


I can’t speak for others, but the thought just won’t leave my head. I keep thinking, all of this is but another avenue to gain more control over the general public, in an effort to control everything we do, including our enjoyment of just driving around! Lord knows we’re bombarded with ad-nauseam (pun intended) already, without messing up our pure pleasure of driving!

Time to revolt, me thinks!
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I like the glass dash more than I thought I would. As I've said before though; I prefer the dash setup from my 2016 Focus RS or the 2 GT350s I test drove. I assess our GT dashes as "different" NOT "better".

Right there with ya, on the Distracted Driving issue! I was rear ended, while sitting at a stop sign, in Sept of '20 by some dip **** who was texting while driving. If I’d been on my Spyder it likely would have killed me.

My dash is on default settings with the exception of dash colors. Voice control? MEH! I use it for phone calls and nothing else.

My car has never communicated properly with my phone music collection. Blue Tooth phone calls work great, but BT coms with my music collection see ONLY the first song in the collection and will play ONLY about 30 secs of it before shutting down. Take that, Wiley!

GT to phone music coms via USB is VERY erratic. Detects the phone music right away about every tenth time. The other 9 are a miserable dance of futzing about with things to get them to see each other. When they do; the sound system plays just fine though.

Between the 20 something phone tech at my local ATT store and the 30 something sales rep I bought the GT from; an hour plus of trouble shooting this GT to phone music BS has been for nought.
 

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I tend to agree about the screen being distracting. I really don't use the features on mine with the exception of the AVE. I did use the heat this past fall before I put it into storage. Again, it's a toy and not my daily driver.
 

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I like the glass dash more than I thought I would. As I've said before though; I prefer the dash setup from my 2016 Focus RS or the 2 GT350s I test drove. I assess our GT dashes as "different" NOT "better".

Right there with ya, on the Distracted Driving issue! I was rear ended, while sitting at a stop sign, in Sept of '20 by some dip **** who was texting while driving. If I’d been on my Spyder it likely would have killed me.

My dash is on default settings with the exception of dash colors. Voice control? MEH! I use it for phone calls and nothing else.

My car has never communicated properly with my phone music collection. Blue Tooth phone calls work great, but BT coms with my music collection see ONLY the first song in the collection and will play ONLY about 30 secs of it before shutting down. Take that, Wiley!

GT to phone music coms via USB is VERY erratic. Detects the phone music right away about every tenth time. The other 9 are a miserable dance of futzing about with things to get them to see each other. When they do; the sound system plays just fine though.

Between the 20 something phone tech at my local ATT store and the 30 something sales rep I bought the GT from; an hour plus of trouble shooting this GT to phone music BS has been for nought.
She (your gt) just keeps saying listen to me …
 
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My issue is that I dont think the screens/ graphics will age well..... think about computer games/ phones/ exc - every year they are replaced by something better.... yes the graphics on my screen are ancient....but my screen is also not the focal point of my interior ....

I was really hoping for a more timeless design - I so think the exterior of the S650 will age well though ....nice clean design .....
 


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On the Premium model there is no gap between the screens which makes it look a bit better.
I prefer to have the screens though being a computer guy. Actually sitting and driving with them is a different experience than viewing pictures of it online.

Wish I had the specs on them, but graphics wise for what its displaying it shouldn't show its age that much. One concern I had was lag, but I didn't see that during my test drive. I know many manufacturers like to skimp out on certain parts, like RAM, which slows down most electronics, but not the case here.
 

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When the car (S 650) is out of warranty, what will a screen replacement cost? When I owned a 2020 BULLITT, a Bullitt owner said the screen cost $3200 to replace under warranty. The S 650 dash is much more complicated.
Wondering????
 

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I’m old and I don’t like them. But they’re there and I can deal with it or buy something else. I couldn’t find anything else I liked as much and Ford declined to build me a one-off custom car with everything just the way I wanted it. They referred me to Dave Kindig. So just like going down the line in an old style cafeteria I take what I like and ignore what I don’t. I refuse to allow myself to ruin what I love so much about these cars by whining about the few things I’d change.

Just me.
 

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What I find frustrating with the new screens is that if a software update is pushed to the car, when I dive the car the next time, I have to reset my modes and screen display. Weird.
 

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@Alan Applegate

The screens you’re commenting on have precious little to do with the shared article concerning privacy. It’s the modules _relaying_ the collected data to the mothership.

I get what you’re saying about distraction, but the article isn’t dealing with distraction.
I get what the article is reporting on about unauthorized, or surreptitiously authorized data sharing, but your screen or screens aren’t doing the sharing.

I do like on board navigation, easy audio source selection, volume up/down, and selectable gauges, but once I’m moving, I’m only concerned with the gauge cluster unless I’m navigating and even then I’m mostly relying on the voice prompts.

I do not like sharing any of my driving information, no matter how inconsequential. Queue the hue and cry of police state supporters everywhere: “if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"

In the aftermath of January 6, 2020, the government went on a dragnet search for people, harvesting all manner of data, from all manner of sources. Many of them were surrendered others were “voluntold” to release the information. Vehicle location data was among the information searched, including cell data. People who were simply visiting family had their lives pried into at an unprecedented level to round up who the government wanted.

HOWEVER: supplemental data gathered never goes away. Imagine you were visiting a DC suburb, your car location was shown parked 1 block from a murder. Congratulations ! You have graduated from ‘innocent’, jumping right over person of interest to ‘suspect’. Now the authorities can use this to pry into pretty much any aspect of your life.

Once any government agency has the information, it will be retained. ANY government agency, even an out of jurisdiction agency. So color me paranoid, but I’d prefer my information remain my own.
 

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I haven’t had any issues with the screens. Once in a while my wireless CarPlay drops but usually reconnects quickly. Redoing settings after some of the updates can be annoying but it pushes me to try something different. I have no issues with the HVAC controls. Being always on at the bottom is the next best option to physical controls. You have physical buttons on the steering wheel for most other things I use. Siri does great with voice commands too. I have not used BT or any other audio function.

I am interested in seeing long term issues and cost to repair.
 

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@Alan Applegate

The screens you’re commenting on have precious little to do with the shared article concerning privacy. It’s the modules _relaying_ the collected data to the mothership.

I get what you’re saying about distraction, but the article isn’t dealing with distraction.
I get what the article is reporting on about unauthorized, or surreptitiously authorized data sharing, but your screen or screens aren’t doing the sharing.

I do like on board navigation, easy audio source selection, volume up/down, and selectable gauges, but once I’m moving, I’m only concerned with the gauge cluster unless I’m navigating and even then I’m mostly relying on the voice prompts.

I do not like sharing any of my driving information, no matter how inconsequential. Queue the hue and cry of police state supporters everywhere: “if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"

In the aftermath of January 6, 2020, the government went on a dragnet search for people, harvesting all manner of data, from all manner of sources. Many of them were surrendered others were “voluntold” to release the information. Vehicle location data was among the information searched, including cell data. People who were simply visiting family had their lives pried into at an unprecedented level to round up who the government wanted.

HOWEVER: supplemental data gathered never goes away. Imagine you were visiting a DC suburb, your car location was shown parked 1 block from a murder. Congratulations ! You have graduated from ‘innocent’, jumping right over person of interest to ‘suspect’. Now the authorities can use this to pry into pretty much any aspect of your life.

Once any government agency has the information, it will be retained. ANY government agency, even an out of jurisdiction agency. So color me paranoid, but I’d prefer my information remain my own.
Find something more worthwhile to worry about! I'm quite certain even your government doesn't care two hoots about you or what you are doing.

It never crosses my mind and evidence over my lifetime so far suggests that is a reasonable stance to take.

The irony of people in the 'land of the free' worrying about their freedom!
 

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Find something more worthwhile to worry about! I'm quite certain even your government doesn't care two hoots about you or what you are doing.

It never crosses my mind and evidence over my lifetime so far suggests that is a reasonable stance to take.

The irony of people in the 'land of the free' worrying about their freedom!
Having learned it’s a zero sum game and not much fun I‘m not spoiling for an argument with you Gregs24, so please don’t take it as such.

But there’s no irony there; the main reason we’re still “the land of the free” (kinda) is that over the years we have worried about said freedom. And acted accordingly.
 

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Having learned it’s a zero sum game and not much fun I‘m not spoiling for an argument with you Gregs24, so please don’t take it as such.

But there’s no irony there; the main reason we’re still “the land of the free” (kinda) is that over the years we have worried about said freedom. And acted accordingly.
We actually have better data protection laws in Europe, which may be why I don't worry. Or just I have more important / interesting things to occupy my time!
 

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I'm quite certain even your government doesn't care two hoots about you or what you are doing.
possibly the most ignorant and careless thing you’ve ever posted, without any knowledge of who is on the other end of your accusation. Given my employment history and clearance status, there are at least 2 - and I think it may be 3 now - agencies who very much care about ‘what I’m doing’.

Stop being a ... what do you folks call it - tosser? I’m not current on failed empire slang, but whatever. just stop being the forum nut hugger.

Either way, the information the vehicle has on board should belong to the owner who should have sole dominion over it.
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