S650 vs RZ34 (Nissan Z)

[zpduff]

I've seen a couple threads about how "bad" the s650 sales are but don't think I've seen a single new Z on the road. It has to be a complete failure for Nissan. Right?

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[robvas]

They only sell a couple thousand a year. Never sold many 370Z or GT-R's either.

I'm not sure I would call it a failure because it never sold 150,000 a year like the Mustang used to.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Its not a complete failure, but Nissan isn’t selling many at all. Some dealers are taking enough off the MSRP to put them in the same price bracket as a new Miata

 

[zpduff]

They only sell a couple thousand a year. Never sold many 370Z or GT-R's either.

I'm not sure I would call it a failure because it never sold 150,000 a year like the Mustang used to.

I don't see a ton of Supras either but I had almost forgotten about the Z. Had to look it up and it's been on sale for over 2 years

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

I don't see a ton of Supras either but I had almost forgotten about the Z. Had to look it up and it's been on sale for over 2 years

Its a shame too, the new Z drives exceptionally well.

 

[zpduff]

Its a shame too, the new Z drives exceptionally well.

I think it looks great as well

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

I think it looks great as well

It really does. Very pretty

 

[Frogdog1]

Its a shame too, the new Z drives exceptionally well.

And they're a weapon on an long auto-cross course. They have their place in the market.

Mustangs attract a lot of kids (young people, not goats, lol) but have become even more costly to buy and own, which is pricing many of them out of the market. When Mustangs first hit the market a long time ago, they weren't "cheap" to buy then either. Today, we have Joe Biden to thank for fucking up the economy with inflation.

The time value of money is a good thing to know and understand well especially when buying cars, houses, and other big ticket items. None should be bought for instant gratification but, sadly, many are bought that way and it's a costly way to live. Meanwhile, back at the ranch......

 

[zpduff]

And they're a weapon on an long auto-cross course. They have their place in the market.

Mustangs attract a lot of kids (young people, not goats, lol) but have become even more costly to buy and own, which is pricing many of them out of the market. When Mustangs first hit the market a long time ago, they weren't "cheap" to buy then either. Today, we have Joe Biden to thank for fucking up the economy with inflation.

The time value of money is a good thing to know and understand well especially when buying cars, houses, and other big ticket items. None should be bought for instant gratification but, sadly, many are bought that way and it's a costly way to live. Meanwhile, back at the ranch......

My cousin has a 2016 stingray and he was shocked a new GT is $50k

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Its a shame too, the new Z drives exceptionally well.

I'd like to test drive one, but it feels like the GR Corolla in that a salesperson basically wants a guarantee that you're going to buy the vehicle before they let you test drive it (at least from my experience).

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

I'd like to test drive one, but it feels like the GR Corolla in that a salesperson basically wants a guarantee that you're going to buy the vehicle before they let you test drive it (at least from my experience).

its a surprisingly softly sprung car, but also very controllable. Getting sideways is super nice in it. Also great shifter/clutch combo. Lots of torque throughout the rev range, and the boost threshold is fairly low.

The only thing I didnt like about the car was its engine. Twin turbo’ V6 packed into that engine bay looked like a nightmare to work on, and I guarantee it’ll have issues soon after the warranty falls though.
If it had a straight six, man, I’d be head over heels.

 

[zpduff]

its a surprisingly softly sprung car, but also very controllable. Getting sideways is super nice in it. Also great shifter/clutch combo. Lots of torque throughout the rev range, and the boost threshold is fairly low.

The only thing I didnt like about the car was its engine. Twin turbo’ V6 packed into that engine bay looked like a nightmare to work on, and I guarantee it’ll have issues soon after the warranty falls though.
If it had a straight six, man, I’d be head over heels.

Have you noticed any turbo lag driving it?

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Have you noticed any turbo lag driving it?

Nah, very little lag. Modern turbo’s are very quick to spool once you’re in the threshold.

there is definitely a threshold though. Its been awhile, but if I recall correctly, below around 2000 or 2200 rpm it’s sorta dead in the water.

 

[zpduff]

Nah, very little lag. Modern turbo’s are very quick to spool once you’re in the threshold.

there is definitely a threshold though. Its been awhile, but if I recall correctly, below around 2000 or 2200 rpm it’s sorta dead in the water.

Cool. I was wondering if manufacturers have made an improvement. The only two turbo vehicles I've owned is a 2015 Ecoboost mustang and a 2017 3.5l Ecoboost F-150. Both had obnoxious turbo lag and don't think either is considered bad compared to early 2000s cars.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Cool. I was wondering if manufacturers have made an improvement. The only two turbo vehicles I've owned is a 2015 Ecoboost mustang and a 2017 3.5l Ecoboost F-150. Both had obnoxious turbo lag and don't think either is considered bad compared to early 2000s cars.

its not even comparable, tbh. Modern turbos are soooo much quicker to spool.

but imo, if I want a turbo car, its a sedan with a fuckoff caterpillar turbo that takes two business days to spool, and sends the car to a different dimension once it does.

turbo’s are for highway sailing, imo. In the twisties, i can’t stand their characteristics, no matter how good.
Its truly all personal preference though. Not knocking on anyone if they do like em.

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