GTD Weight Revealed

[Q6543]

The company’s long term vision and strategy has not changed, I’ve said it before

It was NOT the government mandating the big 3 to go electric…

It was the big 3 pushing for the mandates… They want higher margins, lower operating costs and reduced warranty costs over time.

Blue oval city is still on schedule

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[DeluxeStang]

But if you recall pre Covid we were supposed to get a new chassis. It never happened. With the new gen S650 I’m guessing we never will.

The chassis they were gonna use was cd6, the explorer chassis. I think that would have made the car even heavier honestly, and insiders have confirmed as much. S750 is expected to get a new chassis and come out around 2031-32, again, according to credible insiders.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Yeah the limit is it’ll die off like stated before. Already happened with other cars.

issue with Farley wanting the Mustang to be Ford’s “911” is it comes at a price. New chassis, a lot of dedication to the platform. They just need to pick a direction.

As much as a mid engine Mustang would be awesome, it would complicate things if they wanted to bring back the Ford GT for example.

Ford has basically said straight up the mustang isn't going anywhere, even with the current sales slump. The mid-engine mustang becomes the more affordable replacement for the Ford GT, that's the solution imo. Make it comparable in price to the '05 Ford GT, give in a manual to differentiate it from the c8. Maybe styling that blends the gt and mustang, and no, not the rendering that's already floating out there.

Offer the coupe, the supercar, sedan, and crossover, that's a nice way to expand the brand without it being oversaturated with dozens of different models lol.

 

[MaddNomad]

Ford has basically said straight up the mustang isn't going anywhere, even with the current sales slump. The mid-engine mustang becomes the more affordable replacement for the Ford GT, that's the solution imo. Make it comparable in price to the '05 Ford GT, give in a manual to differentiate it from the c8. Maybe styling that blends the gt and mustang, and no, not the rendering that's already floating out there.

Offer the coupe, the supercar, sedan, and crossover, that's a nice way to expand the brand without it being oversaturated with dozens of different models lol.

Midship would be cool but I doubt it at this point. Unless it’s a 2nd gen GTD maybe.

Yeah that’s happened before and again those cars died. We should see soon how it pans out with the Mustang sedan.

 

[DeluxeStang]

It would be hard to see them doing a whole new platform when they are only selling 40,000 a year, and if that goes down to 30,000....

They'd have to make a $70k base car like the Corvette

I mean, that's mostly an issue if they develop a new platform for one model, and one model alone. With Ford making this awesome, and insane push towards performance cars, who's to say Ford can't develop a shared architecture for unibody performance models? Something that can be used for performance coupes, sedans, even crossovers.

That's very realistic with how flexible model platforms are, keep in mind the maverick and focus are the same basic chassis lol. So saying let's develop a dedicated platform for most of our performance cars isn't a massive stretch. That would help to keep costs down, you could spread the costs of development across volume from 3-4 models or more, not just 1 standalone vehicle.

 

[9secondko]

The chassis they were gonna use was cd6, the explorer chassis. I think that would have made the car even heavier honestly, and insiders have confirmed as much. S750 is expected to get a new chassis and come out around 2031-32, again, according to credible insiders.

No. The cd6 was brought in after HACKett decided tje call an SUV “Mustang”

Originally it was going to be a smaller and lighter platform.

Hackett Suuuuuuuuuuucked.

Left a lot of crap for Farley to deal with.

 

[Mustang1987]

Rumors about a year ago stated the the next gen mustang would be 2030 on a new chassis. But that's five years away so a pretty long time.

That's why I go ahead and get the first model year of a new generation, so it's new for about 5-6 years before a new generation comes out lol

 

[9secondko]

I mean, that's mostly an issue if they develop a new platform for one model, and one model alone. With Ford making this awesome, and insane push towards performance cars, who's to say Ford can't develop a shared architecture for unibody performance models? Something that can be used for performance coupes, sedans, even crossovers.

That's very realistic with how flexible model platforms are, keep in mind the maverick and focus are the same basic chassis lol. So saying let's develop a dedicated platform for most of our performance cars isn't a massive stretch. That would help to keep costs down, you could spread the costs of development across volume from 3-4 models or more, not just 1 standalone vehicle.

Exactly. Develop a new MUSTANG platform. Let that be the actual name of the platform itself.

Thrn produce the next gen mustang on the mustang platform.

Then modify the platform for a cool 4 door with its own name. But still gets to say it rides on the Mustang platform.

Then build more cars on this platform. They don’t even have to be sports cars. A focus equivalent would work. A Taurus equivalent would work. A hot rod Lincoln Mark IX. Etc.

Much better to start with a light and rigid platform and extend where needed.

Other automakers are finding great success with cars these days. Looks like ford is feeling a bit foolish do they want to add some cars back in. Great. Just give them their own names, but make ALL of them worthwhile by giving the Mustang serious attention snd development, then sharing that with these other cars, preserving the mustang name for the Mustang, giving these unique cars unique identities, and enjoying the cachet that these cars were built on the mustang platform.

Everybody wins.

Common business sense. Fords got to get tired of the weirdo strategies sooner than later and make a return to good old fashioned common sense.

 

[robvas]

Is there a current example of an awesome sports car and SUV being built on the same platform?

Edit: before anyone says BMW, remember we already talked about the M cars being overweight

 

[9secondko]

Is there a current example of an awesome sports car and SUV being built on the same platform?

Edit: before anyone says BMW, remember we already talked about the M cars being overweight

LOL. I think that last bit is very important.

Maybe the criteria should change to “does anyone have an example of a LIGHT sports cars sharing platforms with an suv?”

I can’t think of one.

I always wondered why bmw underrates its engines, which actually exceed advertised power. Then I thought “maybe it’s to hide the fact that it takes so much power to push them things around.

 

[MaddNomad]

Is there a current example of an awesome sports car and SUV being built on the same platform?

Edit: before anyone says BMW, remember we already talked about the M cars being overweight

There isn’t one. Lol.

 

[9secondko]

There isn’t one. Lol.

I was waiting for someone to bring some hereto undortold revelation about a koenigsegg sharing an Urus/q7 platform or something. But… nope. It just isn’t a thing and is an absolutely stupid idea to begin with.

CAN you slap a car on an suv platform? Sure!
SHOULD YOU? Heck no! Get the heck back to your home planet.

 

[MaddNomad]

I was waiting for someone to bring some hereto undortold revelation about a koenigsegg sharing an Urus/q7 platform or something. But… nope. It just isn’t a thing and is an absolutely stupid idea to begin with.

CAN you slap a car on an suv platform? Sure!
SHOULD YOU? Heck no! Get the heck back to your home planet.

There is no benefit other than saving money but then you’re risking low sales anyways.

As soon as they do that you can essentially kiss a great performance car out the window.

 

[AlloyPony]

Not sure if this has already been posted here but @Epiphany found the GTD curb weight over on M6G.

At 4,300 pounds, I'm no longer interested....not that I could afford one anyway. My vote just just shifted to the ZR1.

I guess nobody is poking fun at the Dodge Challenger now, eh?

I've always wondered why everybody gave the Challenger at 4,200 lbs. so much hell. The Mustang GT Premiums check in at 3,900, and they're MUCH smaller and less practical. I just don't understand the hate.

 

[Zig]

I guess nobody is poking fun at the Dodge Challenger now, eh?

I've always wondered why everybody gave the Challenger at 4,200 lbs. so much hell. The Mustang GT Premiums check in at 3,900, and they're MUCH smaller and less practical. I just don't understand the hate.

‘Challenger’ implies subordinate.

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