Got denied for a GTD. What's the next regular high performance Mustang coming down the pike?

[broncoboy22]

It should be like the GT500!!!

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[IceGamer]

Usually they come out with something innovative when the release a new halo car like magentic ride, DCT, etc.

I would anticipate it as a 2026 Model year unit if you look at their past timing on releasing the halo car versus the new body style.

Maybe it will have AWD and the refreshed S650 might get AWD as well.
Hybrid might be another option or in combination...

Anyhow, I doubt that they put anything but the Predator engine in it. Turbos would alter its characteristics too much.

 

[9secondko]

Maybe it will have AWD and the refreshed S650 might get AWD as well.
Hybrid might be another option or in combination...

Anyhow, I doubt that they put anything but the Predator engine in it. Turbos would alter its characteristics too much.

thays shat they said about the ZR1. Now it’s got an FPC and TT.

an E-hybrid would be more time consuming to engineer if they haven’t done so already. Ford is an expert on turbos though. And a twin turbo CPC will launch harder than an FPC.

if the GTD can mail the launch AND handle like it was designed to, it will be unstoppable.

the ZR1 is smaller, has a sharper aero profile, has more weight over the rear wheels for better traction, AND has crazy power thanks to the turbos. That’s a tall order to beat.

IF Ford goes turbo, it takes weight of the front, improving weight distribution, which helps both traction and handling. If they go the electric assist route, it’s the same benefit. Maybe more with a small battery over the reset wheels.

now… if Ford went twin turbo AND e-assist, it’s even better still - plus much more power.

it never made sense that a body kit snd suspension would cause the car to cost such crazy money. But… if Ford was holding its cards close and developing something undisclosed with the powertrain like what I have hypothesized, then the price criticisms will vanish.

then there is another factor to consider. That the GTD exists as a way for Ford to subsidize the development of a new Mustang platform. Imagine your future mustang having broken from tradition of being a commodity car enhanced to be a sports type of car. Instead, it was developed in tandem with a pure racing company and produced to dominate - then was refined enough to be street legal - and that’s the platform your mustang has as its dna. In this case, the car may not need as much to overtake the zr1 as a true s650 platform would.

of course this is all thinktank stuff. But the last part is especially plausible.

one thing is for sure. Ford can’t let this car get smacked around by a cheaper corvette.

 

[IceGamer]

thays shat they said about the ZR1. Now it’s got an FPC and TT.

an E-hybrid would be more time consuming to engineer if they haven’t done so already. Ford is an expert on turbos though. And a twin turbo CPC will launch harder than an FPC.

if the GTD can mail the launch AND handle like it was designed to, it will be unstoppable.

the ZR1 is smaller, has a sharper aero profile, has more weight over the rear wheels for better traction, AND has crazy power thanks to the turbos. That’s a tall order to beat.

IF Ford goes turbo, it takes weight of the front, improving weight distribution, which helps both traction and handling. If they go the electric assist route, it’s the same benefit. Maybe more with a small battery over the reset wheels.

now… if Ford went twin turbo AND e-assist, it’s even better still - plus much more power.

it never made sense that a body kit snd suspension would cause the car to cost such crazy money. But… if Ford was holding its cards close and developing something undisclosed with the powertrain like what I have hypothesized, then the price criticisms will vanish.

then there is another factor to consider. That the GTD exists as a way for Ford to subsidize the development of a new Mustang platform. Imagine your future mustang having broken from tradition of being a commodity car enhanced to be a sports type of car. Instead, it was developed in tandem with a pure racing company and produced to dominate - then was refined enough to be street legal - and that’s the platform your mustang has as its dna. In this case, the car may not need as much to overtake the zr1 as a true s650 platform would.

of course this is all thinktank stuff. But the last part is especially plausible.

one thing is for sure. Ford can’t let this car get smacked around by a cheaper corvette.

I think you have it all wrong regarding the GTD... It's not a body kit or an extensive overhaul, it's a completely different car. It's hand built by Multimatic and that's why it is so expensive but that will also be the reason why the car will perform much better than any other Mustang. One cannot implement a carbon core into an existing steel frame... The cars have nothing in common but the name.

A potential GT500 successor on the other hand will have most likely quite a few similarities like the engine, styling, suspension etc but the frame will be a regular s650/S550/S197 frame. Hence the car will be much less potent on the track and will weigh much more than the GTD. However, it'll most likely be price around 100k.

 

[Rocket Man]

other than the GTD, no new mustangs coming soon will have any of that other stuff (AWD, turbo, hybrid). And a new GT500 like model will be at least 150K.

 

[9secondko]

I think you have it all wrong regarding the GTD... It's not a body kit or an extensive overhaul, it's a completely different car. It's hand built by Multimatic and that's why it is so expensive but that will also be the reason why the car will perform much better than any other Mustang. One cannot implement a carbon core into an existing steel frame... The cars have nothing in common but the name.

A potential GT500 successor on the other hand will have most likely quite a few similarities like the engine, styling, suspension etc but the frame will be a regular s650/S550/S197 frame. Hence the car will be much less potent on the track and will weigh much more than the GTD. However, it'll most likely be price around 100k.

you’re completely missing my point.

I’ve posted elsewhere thst the Gtd could be a totally new platform thst ford is selling so high in order to get the platform to somewhat pay for itself.

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If I’m right, future mustangs will be based on the Gtd.

 

[IceGamer]

you’re completely missing my point.

I’ve posted elsewhere thst the Gtd could be a totally new platform thst ford is selling so high in order to get the platform to somewhat pay for itself.

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If I’m right, future mustangs will be based on the Gtd.

Could be but logic tells me that a new platform wouldn't be established at a foreign manufacturer. Besides, I doubt that any future 'base' mustang would have something like a carbon frame. As a result, it is unlikely that Ford is testing a new platform at Multimatic or that anything meaningful from that platform will carry over to Ford.

But maybe I'm wrong. At this point I'm just very pessimistic as Ford is usually trying to cut corners wherever possible;)

 

[9secondko]

Could be but logic tells me that a new platform wouldn't be established at a foreign manufacturer. Besides, I doubt that any future 'base' mustang would have something like a carbon frame. As a result, it is unlikely that Ford is testing a new platform at Multimatic or that anything meaningful from that platform will carry over to Ford.

But maybe I'm wrong. At this point I'm just very pessimistic as Ford is usually trying to cut corners wherever possible;)

not every piece will be there. But if not carbon, perhaps another lighter material. And the idea of ford cutting corners actually makes sense here because they are getting Gtd customers to underwrite development with the price.
Just a crazy thought.

 

[JediMindTrix]

We're getting a little in the weeds here... it'll be a 5.2L Supercharged V8 and the big new thing(s) will be the aero and transaxle (not AWD) as we've seen from some spy shots. GTD Lite. I was holding out for getting one of these, but my dealer connects are all speculating it'll be 100k starting price with 20-50k ADM not to mention any kind of packages that are optioned. At that price point I'm out and will just go get a Dark Horse HP or Mach 1 HP. If 90K is starting price with ADM like maybe 5K-10K then I would still consider it. I think most prospective Mustang buyers won't want to exceed 100K.

 

[young at heart]

We're getting a little in the weeds here... it'll be a 5.2L Supercharged V8 and the big new thing(s) will be the aero and transaxle (not AWD) as we've seen from some spy shots. GTD Lite. I was holding out for getting one of these, but my dealer connects are all speculating it'll be 100k starting price with 20-50k ADM not to mention any kind of packages that are optioned. At that price point I'm out and will just go get a Dark Horse HP or Mach 1 HP. If 90K is starting price with ADM like maybe 5K-10K then I would still consider it. I think most prospective Mustang buyers won't want to exceed 100K.

I agree and think you’re dead on the money here.

 

[Praehotec]

Somehow, as much as I like Mustangs, paying more than $100k for a car still seems like insanity, even in this era of ridiculous prices.

Then again, I can't believe I paid $85 for a couple of pizzas on a night out with friends last weekend...

 

[MCS]

Agreed on the 100K Ceiling. I got my Dark Horse for $90k CAD ($66.6K USD - you can't make this stuff up) and even that was a bit of a stretch for a Mustang.

$100K USD ($135K CAD) would be a hard pass for a Mustang unless it was a Mustang + a Young Kate Beckinsale dressed as Seleen from Underworld + a lobster dinner.

 

[Rated R]

Lately I've been looking for low mileage S550. '19-'20 GT350(R) or a Mach1.

 

[broncoboy22]

We're getting a little in the weeds here... it'll be a 5.2L Supercharged V8 and the big new thing(s) will be the aero and transaxle (not AWD) as we've seen from some spy shots. GTD Lite. I was holding out for getting one of these, but my dealer connects are all speculating it'll be 100k starting price with 20-50k ADM not to mention any kind of packages that are optioned. At that price point I'm out and will just go get a Dark Horse HP or Mach 1 HP. If 90K is starting price with ADM like maybe 5K-10K then I would still consider it. I think most prospective Mustang buyers won't want to exceed 100K.

Does that transaxle mean it will be mandatory rear seat delete?

 

[Rated R]

Does that transaxle mean it will be mandatory rear seat delete?

Yes, no trunk either.

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