2021 MUSTANG (S650) - 7th Generation Mustang Confirmed

[Conedodger]

Low hanging fruit for weight savings.

Suspension: Control arms, brake rotors, calipers, wheels, subframes
Body: Doors, glass, bumper bars. Aluminum doors, thinner glass
Engine: Flywheel and clutch assembly.
Drivetrain: Third member

The Mustang could be 3" narrower and have a 3" shorter wheel base easily. By going to a smaller front spring coils you can create the width you need in the engine bay for the wide heads on the coyote.

Put the battery in the trunk like all BMW's

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[Ebm]

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Low hanging fruit for weight savings.

Suspension: Control arms, brake rotors, calipers, wheels, subframes
Body: Doors, glass, bumper bars. Aluminum doors, thinner glass
Engine: Flywheel and clutch assembly.
Drivetrain: Third member

The Mustang could be 3" narrower and have a 3" shorter wheel base easily. By going to a smaller front spring coils you can create the width you need in the engine bay for the wide heads on the coyote.

Put the battery in the trunk like all BMW's

Dude... But everything is bigger in Texas, I mean Michigan.

 

[mikeyjobu]

Low hanging fruit for weight savings.

Suspension: Control arms, brake rotors, calipers, wheels, subframes
Body: Doors, glass, bumper bars. Aluminum doors, thinner glass
Engine: Flywheel and clutch assembly.
Drivetrain: Third member

The Mustang could be 3" narrower and have a 3" shorter wheel base easily. By going to a smaller front spring coils you can create the width you need in the engine bay for the wide heads on the coyote.

Put the battery in the trunk like all BMW's

Would we want the wheelbase to be that much shorter? Or have the track that much narrower? How much stability would be lost?

 

[millhouse]

Improvements must be made... Now that Ford has a fleet vehicle that uses lightweight materials, economies of scale may bring the cost within reach of the Mustang. If there aren't improvements, the Mustang will die.

Why would the mustang die? It's sales are linked far more to it's styling and nameplate than it is it's weight and performance.

And again, they are already using quite a bit more aluminum than in the past...and are only ~75lbs heavier than the camaro.

Low hanging fruit for weight savings.

Suspension: Control arms, brake rotors, calipers, wheels, subframes
Body: Doors, glass, bumper bars. Aluminum doors, thinner glass
Engine: Flywheel and clutch assembly.
Drivetrain: Third member

The Mustang could be 3" narrower and have a 3" shorter wheel base easily. By going to a smaller front spring coils you can create the width you need in the engine bay for the wide heads on the coyote.

Put the battery in the trunk like all BMW's

Again, packaging and federal crash standards prohibit this. The size of the mustang isn't arbitrary. :headbonk:

 

[millhouse]

Let's put something into perspective in regards to making the S550 narrower and shorter.

Here is the old windsor that was packaged into the foxbody compared to a 4.6L modular.

If you have seen a coyote shoehorned into a foxbody, you would understand the negative impact it would have on crash performance.

 

[Conedodger]

Would we want the wheelbase to be that much shorter? Or have the track that much narrower? How much stability would be lost?

The 6th gen Camaro is about 3" narrower than the S550. It's fast around the ring soooo.

 

[Conedodger]

Why would the mustang die? It's sales are linked far more to it's styling and nameplate than it is it's weight and performance.

And again, they are already using quite a bit more aluminum than in the past...and are only ~75lbs heavier than the camaro.



Again, packaging and federal crash standards prohibit this. The size of the mustang isn't arbitrary. :headbonk:

I call BS. Using high strength steel in the right places, Aluminum in others like control arms and sub frames work fine on the smaller Camaro. Brake rotors have nothing to do with federal crash standards. An aluminum third member does nothing. Aluminum doors also no problem. My GT3 has aluminum doors and it passed all federal requirements. F150's do also.

Thin glass everywhere but the windshield of course.

With this thinking we would still be stuck with pushrods.

 

[Zeke.Malvo]

I call BS. Using high strength steel in the right places, Aluminum in others like control arms and sub frames work fine on the smaller Camaro. Brake rotors have nothing to do with federal crash standards. An aluminum third member does nothing. Aluminum doors also no problem. My GT3 has aluminum doors and it passed all federal requirements. F150's do also.

Thin glass everywhere but the windshield of course.

With this thinking we would still be stuck with pushrods.

I don't think a GT3 has ever passed any sort of NHTSA safety test.

 

[millhouse]

I call BS. Using high strength steel in the right places, Aluminum in others like control arms and sub frames work fine on the smaller Camaro. Brake rotors have nothing to do with federal crash standards. An aluminum third member does nothing. Aluminum doors also no problem. My GT3 has aluminum doors and it passed all federal requirements. F150's do also.

Thin glass everywhere but the windshield of course.

With this thinking we would still be stuck with pushrods.

Gotcha. In other words, jack up the base price another $10k.

 

[Competition Orange]

The 6th gen Camaro is about 3" narrower than the S550. It's fast around the ring soooo.

I don’t think so. Length and width are essentially identical, it’s height where the camaro is 1 to 2 inches shorter...

 

[Competition Orange]

millhouse is being overly dramatic, imo. Plenty of small cars can accomplish safety goals and packaging concerns.

I won’t be upgrading to the 18, but give me a 7/8 sized mustang weighing 3400lbs with oil,trans and diff coolers and a v8 and I’m a buyer.

 

[JWS]

Not my favorite

Kind of reminded me of a clunky - stubby Wooden Shoe. You would think you want a side window that at least gives you a chance to wriggle out of in an accident. Unlike Camaro.

If they cut weight in the Body with Aluminum, this wil move the CG Forward and get further away from Ford’s desired 50/50 distribution.

I agree that the 197 render looks more like something the Ring Brothers would Assemble.

 

[JWS]

Ring Brothers

Guess they already built one! However, their 1st & 2nd Gen builds seem closer in appearance.

https://ringbrothers.com/1967_mustang_reactor

http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/mump-1104-1970-ford-mustang-fastback/

 

[millhouse]

millhouse is being overly dramatic, imo. Plenty of small cars can accomplish safety goals and packaging concerns.

I won’t be upgrading to the 18, but give me a 7/8 sized mustang weighing 3400lbs with oil,trans and diff coolers and a v8 and I’m a buyer.

Show me a much smaller, mass produced 2+2 coupe that has an engine sized 5.0L or bigger produced today that has an interior capacity no smaller than the mustang.

The only car that I can find that even comes close is the Lexus RCF. It's has the same wheelbase, but is smaller in every way. The interior is far more cramped. It has less legroom, less shoulder room, 3.5 cubic feet less of cargo space and weighs 150lbs more. Oh yea, it starts at $65k.

You cannot shrink the mustang without negatively impacting interior and cargo space....which would immediately turn off a bulk of the US buyers. These are all packaging constraints.

 

[Competition Orange]

Show me a much smaller, mass produced 2+2 coupe that has an engine sized 5.0L or bigger produced today that has an interior capacity no smaller than the mustang.

The only car that I can find that even comes close is the Lexus RCF. It's has the same wheelbase, but is smaller in every way. The interior is far more cramped. It has less legroom, less shoulder room, 3.5 cubic feet less of cargo space and weighs 150lbs more. Oh yea, it starts at $65k.

You cannot shrink the mustang without negatively impacting interior and cargo space....which would immediately turn off a bulk of the US buyers. These are all packaging constraints.

You honestly don't believe they could do anything to reduce the size and weight of the mustang and meet their project goals?

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