I was wrong, Dark Horse does not have forged pistons and rods

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Brother I've own 4 S650 GTs at this point including a DH. All for tuning developement.

You act like some salesman hit some homerun selling me a bunch of cars like I was some sap off the street. These GTs and DH I have/had were all to build tunes and for marketing on social media and Ive made more money 5x than these cars cost to buy and build. So I dont know what youre LOLing at here. I didnt miss out on anything, I didnt get taken. I did this specifically to build and sell tuning which Im doing very well. I've tuned 489 S650s and counting since july. Thats not counting the hundreds of gen1/2/3 cars as well. So if getting brand new GTs and a DH for invoice minus rebates, making a pile of money on them and moving on to the next is a joke to you, then by all means keep laughing. I will be as well when my next one the DH SC shows up.

If it was all for tuning development, then you must understand how much more went in to the Darkhorse over a standard GT. Forged internals, etc.

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[ZXMustang]

If it was all for tuning development, then you must understand how much more went in to the Darkhorse over a standard GT. Forged internals, etc.

To the contrary. You find out real fast that the DH is a GT with stickers and a higher price tag. Especially when they make 1:1 the same power as a base GT both with tuning. Thats where it starts to sink in that Ford literally sold you a bill of goods, and just watered down the DH less than the GT to give you that WOWOWOWOW 500hp that every DH owner brags about. Meanwhile its the same as the GT if I remove the tq management from the GT. Like literally.

Thats when it hurts to know you didnt get anything more for your money but bragging rights that dont actually exist.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

To the contrary. You find out real fast that the DH is a GT with stickers and a higher price tag. Especially when they make 1:1 the same power as a base GT both with tuning. Thats where it starts to sink in that Ford literally sold you a bill of goods, and just watered down the DH less than the GT to give you that WOWOWOWOW 500hp that every DH owner brags about. Meanwhile its the same as the GT if I remove the tq management from the GT. Like literally.

Thats when it hurts to know you didnt get anything more for your money but bragging rights that dont actually exist.

Well, for one, you get a better engine for the price tag.

And a better transmission

and better chassis tuning

 

[ZXMustang]

Well, for one, you get a better engine for the price tag.

And a better transmission

and better chassis tuning

Well, for one, you get a better engine for the price tag.
Wrong, its the same engine. Forged connecting rods do not change anything. As I said before you arent seeing any coyote engine going back to gen2 bending rods at 1k hp. So this is a wash either way - but continue to ignore this since it doesnt fit your narrative.

And a better transmission
Only for the manual - and thats also debatable. A good driver isnt going faster with the tremec over the MT82. Learn how to shift the 2-3 and you will be fine.

and better chassis tuning
This doesnt exist

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Well, for one, you get a better engine for the price tag.
Wrong, its the same engine. Forged connecting rods do not change anything. As I said before you arent seeing any coyote engine going back to gen2 bending rods at 1k hp. So this is a wash either way - but continue to ignore this since it doesnt fit your narrative.

And a better transmission
Only for the manual - and thats also debatable. A good driver isnt going faster with the tremec over the MT82. Learn how to shift the 2-3 and you will be fine.

and better chassis tuning
This doesnt exist

I'm going to need to see some citations that forged internals aren't better.

Tremec is definitely better. Source: Every single person who has ever used one.

Chassis tuning certainly exists.

 

[MAT1955]

@ChitownStang ...... we all get passionate about our 'stangs and there IS from time to time a bit of good natured "ball busting" on this forum BUT that, in my opinion, is what makes this forum special. We actually give a $hit about our Mustangs - so the converastions can get a bit heated from time to time - just like our brake pads! I must raise my hand because I too have been guilty of some "passionate" responses. As for you - no flag on that play.

 

[COBill]

No matter how you slice it the Tremec is better if you're a MT person - it feels better, it shifts better and is completely worth the price differential.

Then again, I'm the kind of person who would never even consider purchasing a vehicle without a manual.

 

[ZXMustang]

I'm going to need to see some citations that forged internals aren't better.

Tremec is definitely better. Source: Every single person who has ever used one.

Chassis tuning certainly exists.

You tell me if you think forged connecting rods do anything over the standard rods on the GT at just about any power level. But again, you keep ignoring the facts that they are unnecessary for adding power with the coyote for the last decade of models.

Please tell me why an engine that makes 14 more crank hp and doesnt rev any higher needs forged connecting rods and how they exactly make a difference? Please tell us.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

@ChitownStang ...... we all get passionate about our 'stangs and there IS from time to time a bit of good natured "ball busting" on this forum BUT that, in my opinion, is what makes this forum special. We actually give a $hit about our Mustangs - so the converastions can get a bit heated from time to time - just like our brake pads! No flag on that play.

This forum is one of the most aggressively defensive forums I have ever seen, tbh. If you dare compare, suggest, or insinuate any sort of problem regarding the S650, you get blasted so unbelievably hard, lmao.

I remember a few months ago I compared the S650 to another car that was similar weight, had the same engine displacement and cylinder count, performed similarly, and had was priced similarly, and a solid 4 or 5 people came out of the woodwork yelling about how "its nothing alike" and "you're blah blah", and the only reason they could give is beacuse the other brand was a luxury brand.

I mean, hell, I so much as suggested that removing the tow hook insert on the standard GT but keeping the bumper panel for it was a really dumb form of cost-cutting, and some doof immediately called me a snowflake, hahahahah. God forbid you admit that theres some cost cutting measures on your car, its not a big deal.

I've been watching this go down for essentially a full year now, its just peculiar. Talk to a New Edge guy and tell him his car is slow, and he'll just say "oh yeah, I love it". Talk to a Camaro guy and tell him he's got a fat pig, and he'll just go "yeah, but its really fun". Tell a G82 owner (not a tiktok kid) that his car is for broccoli head kids, and he'll just go "yeah, it is what it is".

Its incredibly easy to instigate S650 owners, and I really don't have any explanation as to why. S197 dudes aren't like this, nor are Honda people, VW people, Corvette people, etc. Its just something with the demographic.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

You tell me if you think forged connecting rods do anything over the standard rods on the GT at just about any power level. But again, you keep ignoring the facts that they are unnecessary for adding power with the coyote for the last decade of models.

Please tell me why an engine that makes 14 more crank hp and doesnt rev any higher needs forged connecting rods and how they exactly make a difference? Please tell us.

I was just getting a rise out of you, dude. I have no horse in this race. If it was up to me, I'd have just swapped my S650 GTPP with a tremec. No hard feelings, I was bored.

 

[ZXMustang]

This forum is one of the most aggressively defensive forums I have ever seen, tbh. If you dare compare, suggest, or insinuate any sort of problem regarding the S650, you get blasted so unbelievably hard, lmao.

I remember a few months ago I compared the S650 to another car that was similar weight, had the same engine displacement and cylinder count, performed similarly, and had was priced similarly, and a solid 4 or 5 people came out of the woodwork yelling about how "its nothing alike" and "you're blah blah", and the only reason they could give is beacuse the other brand was a luxury brand.

I mean, hell, I so much as suggested that removing the tow hook insert on the standard GT but keeping the bumper panel for it was a really dumb form of cost-cutting, and some doof immediately called me a snowflake, hahahahah. God forbid you admit that theres some cost cutting measures on your car, its not a big deal.

I've been watching this go down for essentially a full year now, its just peculiar. Talk to a New Edge guy and tell him his car is slow, and he'll just say "oh yeah, I love it". Talk to a Camaro guy and tell him he's got a fat pig, and he'll just go "yeah, but its really fun". Tell a G82 owner (not a tiktok kid) that his car is for broccoli head kids, and he'll just go "yeah, it is what it is".

Its incredibly easy to instigate S650 owners, and I really don't have any explanation as to why. S197 dudes aren't like this, nor are Honda people, VW people, Corvette people, etc. Its just something with the demographic.

You havent spent much time on the corvette forums. If you want to argue, go there. You'll have a crowd of retired blue hairs willing to argue with you for months.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

You havent spent much time on the corvette forums. If you want to argue, go there. You'll have a crowd of retired blue hairs willing to argue with you for months.

Maybe its just the internet people then. I've only ever met down to earth fellas in corvettes, bar the dudes polishing their cars every weekend.

Just spoke to a C3 fella this past sunday. He was just like "yeah, this shit is slow. But I love it"

 

[ChitownStang]

I'm going to need to see some citations that forged internals aren't better.

Tremec is definitely better. Source: Every single person who has ever used one.

Chassis tuning certainly exists.

Tremec is meant for track. Shorter throw, stronger gears, shorter gear ratios.
Getrag meant for daily.

 

[Sofa King]

Interior? Is that a tuning difference?

Special ESE tuning

...

and better chassis tuning
This doesnt exist

Well, supposedly the DH has harder durometer bushings in the rear subframe... If you believe the hype from them using it in the RTR Eco... and for all we know, the GT PP may get the same... maybe Magnaride tuning different?

Though I do think the differences are less than DH owners or Ford would have you believe...

 

[bountifulgoose]

To the contrary. You find out real fast that the DH is a GT with stickers and a higher price tag. Especially when they make 1:1 the same power as a base GT both with tuning. Thats where it starts to sink in that Ford literally sold you a bill of goods, and just watered down the DH less than the GT to give you that WOWOWOWOW 500hp that every DH owner brags about. Meanwhile its the same as the GT if I remove the tq management from the GT. Like literally.

Thats when it hurts to know you didnt get anything more for your money but bragging rights that dont actually exist.

See I actually had a gt and a dark horse at the same time, 24 gt A10 and 25 dark horse 6spd. The dark horse handles noticeably better than the gt. Now can you get the gt there sure. Does the extra 20hp matter on the street no, you would never notice it anywhere other than a race track when you beat a gt by a pubic hair. The braking is noticably better on the DH thanks to the massive (in size and cost) 2 piece front rotors, the rear diff cooler is also a nice touch considering a fully loaded gt doesnt come one one. Stock for stock the dark horse is the better trim, there I said it trim. The dark horse is a gt with more upgrades out the box, in the same way a civic type r is still a honda civic, or the sti is still a higher trim wrx. Now price wise, prices are crazy acrossed the board, but i got my 25 dark horse base 6spd with recaros for 10k cheaper than the 26 loaded gt I just saw at my local dealer.

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