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I know what you mean, I struggle to get along with paddles after years of manual shifts.
More practice needed.
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I know what you mean, I struggle to get along with paddles after years of manual shifts.
More practice needed.
I have a hard time seeing any value in paddles... It has literally zero similarities to a real clutch transmission, it’s not ā€˜simulating’ true shifts and adds little to no value to me. I’ve used my paddles hardly ever because they don’t make the car faster and if shifting and revving is what I want to do I’ll get a manual…

Sure, occasionally it’s a nice gimmick but I would rather have a manual for that. I would order my daily with an AT but a driver’s ca should have a MT.
 

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I have a hard time seeing any value in paddles... It has literally zero similarities to a real clutch transmission, it’s not ā€˜simulating’ true shifts and adds little to no value to me. I’ve used my paddles hardly ever because they don’t make the car faster and if shifting and revving is what I want to do I’ll get a manual…

Sure, occasionally it’s a nice gimmick but I would rather have a manual for that. I would order my daily with an AT but a driver’s ca should have a MT.
I’m a save the manuals kind of guy but I opted for the 10 speed in my Mustang. I def use the paddles in the twisty parts. I don’t need to be going around a sweeping turn with a decreasing apex and have the transmission shift and upset the chassis. It has its uses.

I chose the automatic also because I want to roll race, the MT-82 is foreign garbage and I didn’t want a DH
 

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I have a hard time seeing any value in paddles... It has literally zero similarities to a real clutch transmission, it’s not ā€˜simulating’ true shifts and adds little to no value to me. I’ve used my paddles hardly ever because they don’t make the car faster and if shifting and revving is what I want to do I’ll get a manual…

Sure, occasionally it’s a nice gimmick but I would rather have a manual for that. I would order my daily with an AT but a driver’s ca should have a MT.
I should have qualified my comment, when I was getting enthusiastic in my DSG cars they were great. But I did have to fit extensions to the paddles, factory ones were too easy to miss.
 

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We, the "vast majority" are not the customer base for a GTD, a GT2/3 or a ZR1. People who are customers for these cars get it. The rest of us post on internet forums.
I'm a customer for these cars and applied for a GTD. I've had many high performance Fords and yet they denied my application. I thought I had a solid shot at it but for whatever reason I'll not be getting one. After the specs came out with additional pics of the interior and exterior the GTD is not what I thought it was going to be.

What is a glaring bean counter rip off is the $40K ecoboost dash. The seats are reskinned GT350 seats. The weight of the car is insane. Despite all of the carbon fiber, no back seat, no trunk etc the car is still over 100lbs heavier than a Challenger Hellcat. The packaging of the transaxle and pushrod rear suspension in relation to the trunk could have been done better. Taking that rear panel off and exposing what's underneath shows everyone that the car is literally a hack job. They could have done much better. Admittedly I can be wrong but I don't see these cars held in as high regard in the future as the '05-'06 GT or the latter eco boost GT's.
 


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If ford really wants to take on Porsche, they’ll need a high performance manual too
 

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If ford really wants to take on Porsche, they’ll need a high performance manual too
Ford should stop chasing 911 times on the ring unless they get serious with a chassis that can get a car down to 3,200 lbs or within a few hundred pounds of the GT3, but with a higher horsepower engine. Porsche chose to do this as it's what they have to play with currently until the 992.2 GT3RS and GT2RS is released. They know there's zero competition out there for current manual ring times.

I love my GT350R. It's an all together different experience than any of the 911's I've had. I appreciate what Mustangs are, how approachable they are for many, but the quality, fit and finish, parts and materials used in a GT3 are at a level more serious than Ford chooses to offer.

Ford should stay where they are with the Mustang. They already beat their domestic competition and remain the only choice at the price point they're at. I think they'd sell more of them if they redesign the interior and cartoony graphics on those tacked on screens. I'm a S550 guy till the S750 or whatever the next Mustang is called.

The GTD project imo has hurt Ford's reputation. Releasing a car clad with all the CF, front to rear weight adjustment, transaxle etc etc just to release car that is as heavy as a bloated Challenger Hellcat at just shy of 4400 lbs is a failure imo. They make it impossible to buy, charge through the roof for it, then get beat handily by their main domestic competition with a car that is much less expensive before they could even take a breath after releasing the GTD. The whole process in taking a chassis from Ford, transporting it, cutting the rear 3rd off of it is grossly inefficient and costly.
 

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Why bother? They readily admit the PDK is faster. At the end of the day that’s what matters.
Because Farley says he wants to beat the Europeans and go toe to toe with Porsche. Well Porsche has proven they can break records with multiple transmission options. We can’t
 

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Ford should stop chasing 911 times on the ring unless they get serious with a chassis that can get a car down to 3,200 lbs or within a few hundred pounds of the GT3, but with a higher horsepower engine. Porsche chose to do this as it's what they have to play with currently until the 992.2 GT3RS and GT2RS is released. They know there's zero competition out there for current manual ring times.

I love my GT350R. It's an all together different experience than any of the 911's I've had. I appreciate what Mustangs are, how approachable they are for many, but the quality, fit and finish, parts and materials used in a GT3 are at a level more serious than Ford chooses to offer.

Ford should stay where they are with the Mustang. They already beat their domestic competition and remain the only choice at the price point they're at. I think they'd sell more of them if they redesign the interior and cartoony graphics on those tacked on screens. I'm a S550 guy till the S750 or whatever the next Mustang is called.

The GTD project imo has hurt Ford's reputation. Releasing a car clad with all the CF, front to rear weight adjustment, transaxle etc etc just to release car that is as heavy as a bloated Challenger Hellcat at just shy of 4400 lbs is a failure imo. They make it impossible to buy, charge through the roof for it, then get beat handily by their main domestic competition with a car that is much less expensive before they could even take a breath after releasing the GTD. The whole process in taking a chassis from Ford, transporting it, cutting the rear 3rd off of it is grossly inefficient and costly.
Very well said. And I like the GTD but your points are hard to refute. Especially when that GTD program money could have been put into actually investing in attainable Mustang models, instead of forcing the S650 generation into being S550 1.1. I wonder if we could have gotten next gen Mustang products had that money been spent elsewhere
 
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Because Farley says he wants to beat the Europeans and go toe to toe with Porsche. Well Porsche has proven they can break records with multiple transmission options. We can’t
That does mean we have to compete at every single level. They may have multiple options, we don’t. I wonder is Porsche is going to come back with its V8 because Ford has one.
 
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Very well said. And I like the GTD but your points are hard to refute. Especially when that GTD program money could have been put into actually investing in attainable Mustang models, instead of forcing the S650 generation into being S550 1.1. I wonder if we could have gotten next gen Mustang products had that money been spent elsewhere
Oh come on. Ford has billions available if they really wanted too. The GTD has had absolutely zero impact on our cars. I’m sure the shareholders eat up the GTD. But spending tens of millions on a car that sells as few as our Mustang, not so much.
 

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That does mean we have to compete at every single level. They may have multiple options, we don’t. I wonder is Porsche is going to come back with its V8 because Ford has one.
It does to me. When we were battling Camaros and Challengers we sure had trim for trim competitions

Maybe Porsche would need a V8 if we were actually faster than them…
 

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Oh come on. Ford has billions available if they really wanted too. The GTD has had absolutely zero impact on our cars. I’m sure the shareholders eat up the GTD. But spending tens of millions on a car that sells as few as our Mustang, not so much.
They have billions available but they only allocate so much to the Mustang program precisely for why you said, it’s low volume. So they are not going to do a GTD program AND other costly special editions. That’s why we got the GT500 1.1 instead of something new. And we probably BARELY got that if I’m reading the tea leaves correctly.

And Ford stock is about where it always is. I highly doubt the GTD is moved the needle for shareholders
 

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That does mean we have to compete at every single level. They may have multiple options, we don’t. I wonder is Porsche is going to come back with its V8 because Ford has one.
That will never happen in a 911. The largest engine they offer is the 4.0 flat6 in the GT3 so the space is not available for a V8. The chassis is not packaged for a V8, and the low center of gravity in a flat 6 has its advantages over the big head coyote, or any V8 for that matter. The flat 6 defines Porsche performance, it's part of their DNA.
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