Great News for V8s and ICE Vehicles in General

[smurfslayer]

It is funny how some people can accept some scientific evidence such as engineering, medicine, electronics but choose to not accept climate change, probably because they don't actually want to change what they do or how they live (although they would never admit that).

That's because engineering largely deals with tangible, things you can see, hear, smell or touch, where reaching back hundreds of millennia is beyond the grasp of most people to understand.

So is the Shroud real, or was it made hundreds of years after Christ? What did that 100,000 year old climate evidence say in the 1970's?

Medicine is another good analogy, as it is also an evolving discipline. Arthroscopic surgery is just incredible. But by and large, when you go to a doctor with symptoms, they're doing the same thing that call center tech support does to fix your broken computer or application; process of elimination with the statistically most likely issue investigated first. It's easier to spot with veterinarians, because domestic pets can't tell us where it hurts or how they feel and there is often a lot of guess work going on. Chest pain; could be a heart attack, could be run of the mill heartburn, but you'd better be sure it's not the former, before beginning symptom treatment of the latter!
There are a lot of good doctors out there, nurses etc. and there are some who are better than others. At least we're past bloodletting.

I find it amusing that some people cling to the climate death cult position, to the exclusion of all other information.

China has more renewable energy production than any other country. It now has capacity to generate over half of it's electricity by renewables and exceeds that from coal. China is changing so fast.

Have you been to Shanghai or seen it up close? I have teammates there, some days they can't even see the sun when there is no cloud cover, just the normal haze.

"As of 2024, renewables accounted for 18% of electricity generation, with hydropower leading, but solar and wind are now generating over 25% in some provinces and are the primary drivers of growth."

Renewables are acceptable in moderate climates, but will let you down in the extremes. I like the renewable energy concepts, but just like with cars, we can't put the cart before the horse.
With some maturation, this should be a net plus.

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[Zig]

I know that not everyone is a fan of PHEVs but will say when I was commuting 80 miles a day to work prior to working from home, I had a Chevy Volt and it was a great commuter car - charge at home- charge at work ....gas motor for longer trips (or when they did rolling black outs in California where I live)......sold it with 150K miles on it - the only complaint was it went through tires quickly ..........but other then that- almost no maintenance at all.....

Even without the tax credits, if put in the same situation where I had a long commute to work I would go that direction again.....

I think this is the perfect case where a car can stand on its own without needing tax credits.....

Rolling blackouts, a third world problem only a first world society can proclaim is a byproduct of progress.

which series volt, our series 2 was good as well but started experiencing the ‘chugging’ when using engine for prolonged periods. Swapped it for the tried and true ice mustang but now it seems the electric cord is slowly becoming a requirement, too many short trips mean the trickle charger gets its workout.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Completely agree. We don't have to go back to a horse and cart or living in caves but we do have to innovate and change rather than just standing still and doing nothing. That does require some forcing either by incentives or legal changes. Nobody wants leaded fuel or DDT or CFC's and banning them was 100% correct.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, I think it's important to move forward, and keep innovating in meaningful ways so you're not caught flat footed by foreign competition. I personally believe Ford has the right way of doing that with this new universal EV platform.

Some like a 90k lightning doesn't really move the needle, but these upcoming 25-35k EVs seem like they'll have major appeal. If they're able to pull this off, and they're good vehicles, I believe it'll be a catalyst moment for Ford EVs, it just makes a lot more sense than trying to sell these huge, expensive EVs when most of the people I meet who want EVs tend to be younger, and can't afford those sorts of vehicles.

 

[DeluxeStang]

An ev without an engine cannot be a generator, it can be an energy storage device with applicable outlets or provide the ability to backflow current using a preexisting wiring interface, but not a generator in the same way duracell doesn’t make an engine.

but otherwise sounds potentially interesting.

Still gonna be niche until the ever present 110volt outlet is able to recharge in 10 minutes or less.

I guess it's more fitting to say it's a mobile power source. But whatever it is, it can power your house, job sites, campouts, etc.

 

[LouG]

Air pollution, destruction of the environment as a result of everything associated with getting a finite resource to the pump for us to consume. E15/E85 our current alternative is in some ways worse than traditional fossil fuels, Not just from an emissions standpoint but also from a food cost perspective, as you're literally burning food and devoting fields to produce a single crop.

Then there's less of a push for manufacturers to make efficient (read: fast) vehicles.

but you know, climate change is a hoax, once in a century storms happening every few years is the norm, We've always had massive hurricanes and severe weather and insurance costs were going to go up anyway, it's not at all related to changes in weather. Probably just a liberal plot. Just like Zillow removing data about how likely a home is to be affected by severe weather because it was impacting sales.

Plants use CO2, more is better. Only an idiot would argue against it.

declines in violent crime rates be damned, let's bring back leaded gas!

Thanks for the reply. Suffice to say, I do not share your views.

 

[Gregs24]

That's because engineering largely deals with tangible, things you can see, hear, smell or touch, where reaching back hundreds of millennia is beyond the grasp of most people to understand.

So is the Shroud real, or was it made hundreds of years after Christ? What did that 100,000 year old climate evidence say in the 1970's?

Medicine is another good analogy, as it is also an evolving discipline. Arthroscopic surgery is just incredible. But by and large, when you go to a doctor with symptoms, they're doing the same thing that call center tech support does to fix your broken computer or application; process of elimination with the statistically most likely issue investigated first. It's easier to spot with veterinarians, because domestic pets can't tell us where it hurts or how they feel and there is often a lot of guess work going on. Chest pain; could be a heart attack, could be run of the mill heartburn, but you'd better be sure it's not the former, before beginning symptom treatment of the latter!
There are a lot of good doctors out there, nurses etc. and there are some who are better than others. At least we're past bloodletting.

I find it amusing that some people cling to the climate death cult position, to the exclusion of all other information.



Have you been to Shanghai or seen it up close? I have teammates there, some days they can't even see the sun when there is no cloud cover, just the normal haze.

"As of 2024, renewables accounted for 18% of electricity generation, with hydropower leading, but solar and wind are now generating over 25% in some provinces and are the primary drivers of growth."

Renewables are acceptable in moderate climates, but will let you down in the extremes. I like the renewable energy concepts, but just like with cars, we can't put the cart before the horse.
With some maturation, this should be a net plus.

The 100k year climate evidence wasn't really available in the 70's, Ice core samples didn't really get going until the 1980's.

People fly in aeroplanes and 99% of them don't understand the principles of flight, never mind supersonic flight. If you don't trust verified experts in their fields then you are on a hiding to nothing.

The medical profession mostly use evidence based medicine these days - diagnosis based on evidence not guesswork, even vets!

I'm not saying China is perfect but I am saying they are changing fast in many ways

 

[MidwayJ]

The long and short of it is that the Big 3 here in the US are behind all the other major auto manufacturers in the world when it comes to both fuel economy and emissions numbers.

It's obvious why. First, the US has a large geographical footprint. American consumers have more space for the larger large vehicles they want. (Most people don't live in NYC riding the subway.) Second, gas is very cheap compared to Europe.

 

[MidwayJ]

China has more renewable energy production than any other country. It now has capacity to generate over half of it's electricity by renewables and exceeds that from coal. China is changing so fast.

They need to. China reached the point where their C02 emissions were almost double those of the US.

 

[Ryunker]

Just remember the Mustang is more economical than trucks and SUV's

Remember also that change is not all or nothing overnight (unless you are Greta) but does involve change over time. I didn't replace all of my incandescent bulbs with LED's on one day, I changed them as the old ones failed.

Our DH is better on fuel economy (and fun) than our 2015 MKX

 

[MaddNomad]

To all my friends worried about innovation, it's gonna be ok. Not having to rely on government programs and subsidies has actually really benefited Ford's future EV plans. Instead of making kinda mid-tier EVs that lost a lot of money, Ford rethought literally everything for their upcoming affordable EVs, they had to in order to actually start making money on them.

There's a lot out there now if you research Ford's skunkworks EV teams, I can't emphasize enough how impressive that team is, led by the guy who created the model 3 and Y with software teams hired from Apple, and aero work done by F1 aerodynamicists, generally the strongest talent in the industry under one roof, given compete creative autonomy from traditional Ford ways of thinking.

The platform they came up with is radical, simple, designed to be very easy and affordable to build, that simplicity will also improve reliability and ease of repair. It's been designed to be super flexible, and can accommodate 8 body styles.

The 2 hinted at thus far are a maverick sized truck, and get this, an affordable RWD performance sedan!!

The 30k EV truck that will be RWD, as fast as a mustang Ecoboost, have more downforce, great handling, more room inside than a rav 4, and have an on-board generator to power your house for 6 days. Described as having a new silhouette, this news came around the same time the ranchero name was trademarked, so it'll probably be called ranchero.

The other product their CEO has mentioned recently was an affordable performance sedan, a RWD sporty car that was inexpensive, with a unique closure system so you can carry more stuff. Sounds like a new escort or Galaxie based on how he was describing it, like Ford's take on a model 3 which is one of the best selling cars in the world.

We went from EVs to that were just ok, to EVs that genuinely sound badass, and super appealing to a wider range of buyers, all because Ford had to fix the EV affordability issue itself rather than relying on the government to do it. You put a 100k 3 row SUV EV in front of me, I won't care. Show me a fun, well executed sports ute or sedan with a starting price of about 30k, that's a hell yeah moment.

Yeah in that video I thought his take on affordable performance sedan was interesting. Makes me wonder if he’s backtracking on some of the previous rumors of the Mach 4 and has enough confidence in beating China to the punch stateside with something new.

 

[Upacurb]

Rolling blackouts, a third world problem only a first world society can proclaim is a byproduct of progress.

which series volt, our series 2 was good as well but started experiencing the ‘chugging’ when using engine for prolonged periods. Swapped it for the tried and true ice mustang but now it seems the electric cord is slowly becoming a requirement, too many short trips mean the trickle charger gets its workout.

I had a gen 1 (2014)....I believe if memory serves me correctly the first generation were "overbuilt" and then in typical GM fashion they took what they learned and "cut costs" on the gen 2

I will say this as I did drive a gen 2 - it's amazing how solid/ smooth both gens felt on the road at the price point......

 

[DeluxeStang]

Yeah in that video I thought his take on affordable performance sedan was interesting. Makes me wonder if he’s backtracking on some of the previous rumors of the Mach 4 and has enough confidence in beating China to the punch stateside with something new.

The thought occured to me as well.

 

[Wiley Marmot]

I'm having my GT Astro Turfed next year to make it more "green".

No need to thank me for helping to save the planet.

 

[Jonyxz]

Maybe electric cars are not the solution but climate problems are real.
I'm happy we can keep driving our v8 but something needs to be done to mitigate and hopefully solve our climate issues.

 

[Gregs24]

They need to. China reached the point where their C02 emissions were almost double those of the US.

Much bigger population of course

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