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[Upacurb]

What was the salary in 93?

What does salary have to do with the fact that an M car used to be almost twice as much as the performance version of the Mustang and now they are the same price?

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[GrabThatBlue]

What does salary have to do with the fact that an M car used to be almost twice as much as the performance version of the Mustang and now they are the same price?

Because the Mustang was way too cheap or the M car was way too expensive.
Now again, what was the salary in 93?

 

[Upacurb]

Because the Mustang was way too cheap or the M car was way too expensive.
Now again, what was the salary in 93?

Oh I think Ford has moved the Mustang upscale over the years.....in terms of quality and everything else- the Mustang has definitely moved upscale.......my question is if it has gone too much upscale

there used to be tons of low hanging fruit mods you could do to Mustangs that would make them better cars- but out of the box they were cheap and easily modified ......now they are pretty damn good out of the box- but are no longer cheap....

I think they have definitely moved the Mustang up market....the question is have they moved it so far upmarket that they now have less potential buyers vs. when the car was not as good but relatively cheaper.....

So here is my question .....I don't know the answer.....
Would the Mustang sell better if half the price ...with the caveat the interior was not as nice...the car was not as fast....but there was an aftermarket that would allow people to make them faster/ handle better/ brake better exc over time via their own choices......

 

[IceGamer]

Oh I think Ford has moved the Mustang upscale over the years.....in terms of quality and everything else- the Mustang has definitely moved upscale.......my question is if it has gone too much upscale

there used to be tons of low hanging fruit mods you could do to Mustangs that would make them better cars- but out of the box they were cheap and easily modified ......now they are pretty damn good out of the box- but are no longer cheap....

I think they have definitely moved the Mustang up market....the question is have they moved it so far upmarket that they now have less potential buyers vs. when the car was not as good but relatively cheaper.....

So here is my question .....I don't know the answer.....
Would the Mustang sell better if half the price ...with the caveat the interior was not as nice...the car was not as fast....but there was an aftermarket that would allow people to make them faster/ handle better/ brake better exc over time via their own choices......

Half the price is quite far fetched... The Mustang definitely has been upscaled by Ford. Quite a bit actually. With regard to the price however, it didn't go far enough. BMWs have much nicer interiors and are mich faster for slightly more.

 

[Upacurb]

Half the price is quite far fetched... The Mustang definitely has been upscaled by Ford. Quite a bit actually. With regard to the price however, it didn't go far enough. BMWs have much nicer interiors and are mich faster for slightly more.

Yep correct.....it's rough number but it's not half.......

In 1993....

Mustang Cobra was 19K
BMW M3 was 35K

 

[Praehotec]

Oh I think Ford has moved the Mustang upscale over the years.....in terms of quality and everything else- the Mustang has definitely moved upscale.......my question is if it has gone too much upscale

there used to be tons of low hanging fruit mods you could do to Mustangs that would make them better cars- but out of the box they were cheap and easily modified ......now they are pretty damn good out of the box- but are no longer cheap....

I think they have definitely moved the Mustang up market....the question is have they moved it so far upmarket that they now have less potential buyers vs. when the car was not as good but relatively cheaper.....

So here is my question .....I don't know the answer.....
Would the Mustang sell better if half the price ...with the caveat the interior was not as nice...the car was not as fast....but there was an aftermarket that would allow people to make them faster/ handle better/ brake better exc over time via their own choices......

I don't know, I am not that impressed with the Mustang interiors, especially the newest iteration. My 2007 Mustang 's interior basically disintegrated over 15 years, despite being fairly well maintained, and nothing I have noticed in the newer versions looks like it will hold up any better. Honestly, the appeal of my gt350 is basically that it's a $20-30k engine in the body of a $30k car. No frills, all performance. With cheaper to produce engine, one would wish that prices would be cheaper. I suspect current pricing has more to do with lack of competitors in the muscle car segment, and current economics.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Mustang's definitely used to be cheaper, but they also used to have interiors made from spit and kleenex, and all had antiquated old chassis. The SN95 was still on an updated fox platform with one of the cheapest interiors my eyes have ever laid eyes on. It was also incredibly inexpensive.

If we're being honest, theres no winning. Either the mustang is modernized and has a decent interior but people complain it is too expensive, or the mustang is built like an S197 and people complain it is antiquated.

doesn't change the fact it is very expensive and some interior bits seems very cheap/out of place, my 2 cents.

Personally, the current mustang is one of the best sports cars you can buy if you want something still grounded to reality, imo. It is a shame that every year gets less and less options though.

 

[Upacurb]

I don't know, I am not that impressed with the Mustang interiors, especially the newest iteration. My 2007 Mustang 's interior basically disintegrated over 15 years, despite being fairly well maintained, and nothing I have noticed in the newer versions looks like it will hold up any better. Honestly, the appeal of my gt350 is basically that it's a $20-30k engine in the body of a $30k car. No frills, all performance. With cheaper to produce engine, one would wish that prices would be cheaper. I suspect current pricing has more to do with lack of competitors in the muscle car segment, and current economics.

Yep Im with you there......I refer to my GT350 all the time as a rental car with stripes lol

 

[Gregs24]

I don't know, I am not that impressed with the Mustang interiors, especially the newest iteration. My 2007 Mustang 's interior basically disintegrated over 15 years, despite being fairly well maintained, and nothing I have noticed in the newer versions looks like it will hold up any better. Honestly, the appeal of my gt350 is basically that it's a $20-30k engine in the body of a $30k car. No frills, all performance. With cheaper to produce engine, one would wish that prices would be cheaper. I suspect current pricing has more to do with lack of competitors in the muscle car segment, and current economics.

My 2019 S550 interior was tough but somewhat lacking in material quality. After 6 years of daily driving it was wearing well.

My S650 is a big step forward in terms of material quality and certainly not far adrift of some German marques now (especially as some of them seem to be going backwards in quality!)

Passengers got in my S550 and said Mmmmm - American quality!

They get in the S650 and say nothing - which is an improvement!

 

[Praehotec]

My 2019 S550 interior was tough but somewhat lacking in material quality. After 6 years of daily driving it was wearing well.

My S650 is a big step forward in terms of material quality and certainly not far adrift of some German marques now (especially as some of them seem to be going backwards in quality!)

Passengers got in my S550 and said Mmmmm - American quality!

They get in the S650 and say nothing - which is an improvement!

Six years is nothing. I would argue that holding up over 5-6 years is bare minimum of quality. My 2007 didn't have to many issues until probably after about 10 years, which is a long time, but for the cost of a new vehicle still unacceptable (to fall apart) in my opinion. To be fair it wasn't everything in the interior, but enough to make it feel like a low budget ride. Hopefully the new cars are much better.

Aesthetically though, the s650 interior just doesn't do anything for me. It's interior actually feels more bland than the s550, and the giant tablets are so poorly integrated into the dash that it feels like having ipads bolted into the car (I know that seems to be the trend for auto makers currently, but I hate it). For the money, I would have hoped the interior to feel a little more interesting/special. The exterior looks pretty good though.

 

[Gregs24]

Six years is nothing. I would argue that holding up over 5-6 years is bare minimum of quality. My 2007 didn't have to many issues until probably after about 10 years, which is a long time, but for the cost of a new vehicle still unacceptable (to fall apart) in my opinion. To be fair it wasn't everything in the interior, but enough to make it feel like a low budget ride. Hopefully the new cars are much better.

Aesthetically though, the s650 interior just doesn't do anything for me. It's interior actually feels more bland than the s550, and the giant tablets are so poorly integrated into the dash that it feels like having ipads bolted into the car (I know that seems to be the trend for auto makers currently, but I hate it). For the money, I would have hoped the interior to feel a little more interesting/special. The exterior looks pretty good though.

It didn't fall apart at 6 years and a day! I had the car 6 years so cannot comment beyond that but there was no evidence it was about to self destruct overnight.

10 years is an old car and near to end of life design wise. More than 50% of cars are gone by 10 years with the average age of cars on the road around that figure. S197 peeling door trims were legendary!

I like my S650 interior, especially the screens that do indeed feel modern and fresh, much better than the small screen busied on the S550 centre console. Material quality is much better than the S550 and miles ahead of the S197. Aesthetics and quality are two different things of course.

 

[Q6543]

Yep correct.....it's rough number but it's not half.......

In 1993....

Mustang Cobra was 19K
BMW M3 was 35K

19K in 1993 market adjusts to around 200K in today’s dollars… which would buy you the new cobra/super snake R.

it scales perfectly.

 

[Alex381]

19K in 1993 market adjusts to around 200K in today’s dollars… which would buy you the new cobra/super snake R.

it scales perfectly.

$19k in 93 scales closer to $43k today. Even if you assume cars have risen in value twice as fast as inflation (they haven’t) it’s not even half of your claim of $200k.

 

[Q6543]

$SPY is my baseline for market adjusted inflation, you can’t just go of money supply, you have to value the time and just about everything correlates perfectly to the S&P500

ie… there maybe only 43k dollars today for 19k dollars in 1993. But that doesn’t ascribe value to the time lost as well.


it’s also why McDonald’s “Big Mac index” tracks nearly perfectly over time also.

no one would just do nothing with 19k over 30 plus years
@Alex381

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