Jim Farley's response to Corvette team "game on" - GTD vs. ZR1X 🥊

[Frogdog1]

Ford's Halo car should not be the Mustang, it should be an updated GT

Farley.

An updated Ford GT with some of the new learned good technology carried over to the Mustang. Ford could use the Mustang (non electric) as a strong marketing brand for most of the company. Ford doesn't understang marketing at all.

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[Mustang1987]

GM makes money on every vette that sells above something like $90K

They will milk the C8 mid engine platform for another 10 years, by then all the tooling and design costs will be recovered.

Ford is looking at the 7g and saying they saved a lot of money by using a lot of the same tired design that goes back to 2014, they look at a 4 year refresh and try to figure out how they recover the costs when the whole gas powered Mustang line sold something like 45000 units in 2024 and rumor has it 2025 is not better. The only reason there is a 5.0 Mustang is that Ford is using the same architecture in some trucks.

GM made almost 43000 2024 Vettes, within 2000 units of the Mustang, and they were not Ecoboosts they were all mid engine near Supercar level cars.

Some sources say GM makes a 16% margin on the higher level trims of the C8 .

Fine that you're a c8 fan, but sales isn't the point you want to argue. C8 sales are falling like a rock.

For example, last months US sales for the s650 were 4200 and c8 were 1800.

And half the sales for c8, gm isn't making money. I guarantee every sale on a s650 Ford is making money.

 

[Puddinpop]

GT3RS or GTD? Porsches are like a**eholes, everyone has one. GTD's will be like rocking horse poo, only much more fun.
It'd be a tough call for me.

Any Porsche trim. I could care less about the GTD. If I was rich enough to even afford one it still wouldn't be on my mind.

 

[LouG]

Any Porsche trim. I could care less about the GTD. If I was rich enough to even afford one it still wouldn't be on my mind.

Can I ask why?

 

[smurfslayer]

Glock has not had a KaBOOM problem in years since .40 is a dying caliber and anyone that owns one knows not to re-chamber a round more than once due to the feed ramp angle causing bullet setback

Please, reread my post. I know exactly what the causes are/were and I suspect many here do. You’re ignoring or not seeing the overall point.

Which is, to clarify, you posted a hyperbolic statement about the EcoBoost platform and have not backed it up with factual data. The anecdotal data you point to is countered by the sheer number of ecoboosts on the road, among other things.

IMHO Ford has reliability issues, no modern engine should need the front cover removed before 100K miles but Ford techs are doing a lot of Gen1 Ecoboost repairs at mileage lower than that.

I see now it’s Gen1 EcoBoost. Sure, Ford has QA/QC issues, but not so much with the powertrain itself, but supporting infrastructure. Not that there aren’t powertrain issues, but mostly they’re being victimized by supplied h/w or s/w - see the F series brake booster failures.

I guarantee every sale on a s650 Ford is making money.

Yeah... No. Any money “made” on the Mustang is definitely filling the hole created by the loss that every EV sale generates.

 

[Mustang1987]

Yeah... No. Any money “made” on the Mustang is definitely filling the hole created by the loss that every EV sale generates.

I said Ford makes money on Mustang sales. What they spend that mustang money on has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

So what you're saying makes no sense at all as to what I'm talking about.

 

[smurfslayer]

I said Ford makes money on Mustang sales. What they spend that mustang money on has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

So what you're saying makes no sense at all as to what I'm talking about.

I see your point. I’m saying; or attempting it anyway, that any money they make on that Mustang ‘sale’ is offset by the EV sale loss. And then some. The amortization of EV sales is probably across the board, but definitely most represented on “want” vehicles, like the Mustang, Ford Performance vehicles, and definitely part of the F series line.

If Ford hadn’t fumbled the EV interest, we’d all be paying a lot less.

 

[Mustang1987]

I see your point. I’m saying; or attempting it anyway, that any money they make on that Mustang ‘sale’ is offset by the EV sale loss. And then some. The amortization of EV sales is probably across the board, but definitely most represented on “want” vehicles, like the Mustang, Ford Performance vehicles, and definitely part of the F series line.

If Ford hadn’t fumbled the EV interest, we’d all be paying a lot less.

The problem is that EVs were forced when only a minority want them in the US. If it weren't for regulations and mandates and credits and penalties, EVs would just about be dead here. Even with all that, theyre only 9% of sales here.

 

[Puddinpop]

Can I ask why?

Well for one thing it's a 400k Mustang. I'd expect that price tag on a halo car like the Ford GT but definitely not a Mustang. I don't care about it's GT3 class suspension as I would never push the car hard enough to justify having it. The interior does not look like a 400k interior either. The Mustang needs to stay as the affordable pony car not some wannabe high end sports car. If they want to compete with a German brand they need to look at BMW.

 

[smurfslayer]

Yeah, Ford tried to get out in front of what they thought was the direction things were going. I don’t blame them as such, but they bet wrong. They went the complete opposite direction the country was going.

I have a buddy who gave up his Raptor during the C*vid stupidity, picked up a power boost and pocketed thousands. Then bought a lightning and got to learn first hand about range anxiety and the automotive equivalent of the “blue screen of death” - yes, the Lightning will sometimes “brick”.
He took a bath on that truck and ended up back in a Raptor. He chewed through tires in less than 30k miles and shocks in less than 50k due to the weight.

It’s a cool Idea that you can power your house off one, but everything else about it was not ideal and the resale value on the Lightning was atrocious. Because... Ford didn’t put enough QA/QC into it.

Maybe they could revive the Edsel name and spin the EV’s off into that brand :-/

 

[LouG]

Well for one thing it's a 400k Mustang. I'd expect that price tag on a halo car like the Ford GT but definitely not a Mustang. I don't care about it's GT3 class suspension as I would never push the car hard enough to justify having it. The interior does not look like a 400k interior either. The Mustang needs to stay as the affordable pony car not some wannabe high end sports car. If they want to compete with a German brand they need to look at BMW.

Fair enough.
I do like unusual cars, not what everyone else drives. Which would sound funny to an American seeing I have a Mustang, but they are not common here and the looks are unique.

 

[LouG]

Maybe they could revive the Edsel name and spin the EV’s off into that brand :-/

Nearly all EV's are Edsels now.

 

[goodlettjr]

But yet Chey spent billions on the Corvette to get it here you think their stockholders are different than Ford stockholders?

It is very much different. Ford class B stock is what matters.

 

[jboogie1289]

I like both but if I was shopping for a Porsche the Mustang would never be on my radar. Two totally different class of cars.

Exactly, truly and I agree!!!

 

[Stangerous]

My thought is GM gets all the credit for the time their ZR1 and ZR1X ran. That can't be said for the GTD, Multimatic gets the shine because Ford farmed the hard part out. They may have overseen the project, but they didn't build it.

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