Jim Farley's response to Corvette team "game on" - GTD vs. ZR1X 🥊

[Junkyard Dog]

Maybe I am missing your point, but these are not the engines installed in the Mustang.

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[jboogie1289]

I don't blame you. Both GM and Ford need to get their act together for the average consumer. These two cars are cool but 90% of the public can't afford either one so they could care less about lap times. Farley also needs to keep Porsche out his mouth. The Mustang will never compare to a Porsche and the demographic that buys Mustangs doesn't buy Porsches.

!!!! I’m in that Demographic area!! I like them both.

 

[Puddinpop]

!!!! I’m in that Demographic area!! I like them both.

I like both but if I was shopping for a Porsche the Mustang would never be on my radar. Two totally different class of cars.

 

[erocker]

I'd like to see Ford make a V8 GT again that can meet the ZR1X in price and performance.

 

[LouG]

I think Nurburgring is kind of a Dumb test track. No memory just a dumb track. Go to road Atlanta or VIR or something for data

It's a public road for Touristenfahrten (all comers) and a circuit for track days and competition.
Unlike most circuits, it has rough parts, super high speed sections, slow corners and two banked corners. It's also bloody dangerous.
Plus it's iconic, like the IoM circuit, it separates the men from the boys, huge coliogni are mandatory and it is a benchmark for fast roadcars. It also takes years to learn and be fast.
So, how is it "kinda dumb"?

 

[LouG]

I like both but if I was shopping for a Porsche the Mustang would never be on my radar. Two totally different class of cars.

GT3RS or GTD? Porsches are like a**eholes, everyone has one. GTD's will be like rocking horse poo, only much more fun.
It'd be a tough call for me.

 

[Paul's stable]

The ZR1X has 1250 horsepower .... the GTD has 815.

I hate when people compare these two. They are in different class one is a rear wheel drive and front engine. The other has mid engine .and a second electric motor up front and has all wheel drive. The fact that the Ford is so close to Chevy with the all the advantages that chevy has says a lot. It might open the door to a new Ford GT. This is more of a better match up.

 

[Neggytive]

I hate when people compare these two. They are in different class one is a rear wheel drive and front engine. The other has mid engine .and a second electric motor up front and has all wheel drive. The fact that the Ford is so close to Chevy with the all the advantages that chevy has says a lot. It might open the door to a new Ford GT. This is more of a better match up.

The ZX1R is rumored to still have another 10 seconds in it they did not wring out of it.

The track conditions were not ideal, they had a GM engineer driving it and not a professional that knew the ring like the back of their hand

If Sabine Schmidt was still alive I bet she would have gotten everything that car had in it out of it, and then some.

Even if it is 5 seconds more that a pro could get out of the Vette, the amount of money it takes to get ONE second improvement on that course is tens of thousands of dollars, what Ford would have to put into design and testing to get to where the Vette is now, let alone if there is another attempt where the Vette spanks it some more would have the bean counters in Dearborn throwing in the towel, Farley be damned. They have stockholders to answer to and a loss leader car that needs more money poured into it to see who has the biggest dick is not going to sit well with the Board of Directors . Remember Ford stock is trading for under half the value it had in 2022

Recalls, Tariffs, and the beating they are taking in the EV market are killing them

 

[Neggytive]

Glock has not had a KaBOOM problem in years since .40 is a dying caliber and anyone that owns one knows not to re-chamber a round more than once due to the feed ramp angle causing bullet setback

Now Sig, THEY have a problem. You could not give me a Sig right now, but I am pretty deep into Glock's offerings as I have 6 of them

IMHO Ford has reliability issues, no modern engine should need the front cover removed before 100K miles but Ford techs are doing a lot of Gen1 Ecoboost repairs at mileage lower than that.

 

[Paul's stable]

The ZX1R is rumored to still have another 10 seconds in it they did not wring out of it.

The track conditions were not ideal, they had a GM engineer driving it and not a professional that knew the ring like the back of their hand

If Sabine Schmidt was still alive I bet she would have gotten everything that car had in it out of it, and then some.

Even if it is 5 seconds more that a pro could get out of the Vette, the amount of money it takes to get ONE second improvement on that course is tens of thousands of dollars, what Ford would have to put into design and testing to get to where the Vette is now, let alone if there is another attempt where the Vette spanks it some more would have the bean counters in Dearborn throwing in the towel, Farley be damned. They have stockholders to answer to and a loss leader car that needs more money poured into it to see who has the biggest dick is not going to sit well with the Board of Directors . Remember Ford stock is trading for under half the value it had in 2022

Recalls, Tariffs, and the beating they are taking in the EV market are killing them

But yet Chey spent billions on the Corvette to get it here you think their stockholders are different than Ford stockholders?

 

[Frogdog1]

Ford is recalling cars by the hundreds of thousands

Their engine reliability in everything but the 5.0 Coyote s iffy at best, Eco Boosts are more like EcoBOMBS

GM and Ford are on a race to the bottom for second and third place, Chrysler already got 1st.

People ask me what kind of car they should buy, and my answer is none of them

Every manufacturer has a laundry list of problems either with their engines or transmissions including Toyota the car that was once very reliable.

The GTD is a vanity project, every car they make costs Ford, there is no way they are making dime one on any of those cars sold.

I bet GM is making money on the Corvettes

But as nice as the C8 is, there is no hiding all the issues with their V8's as they age, displacement on demand on the 5.7's is a nightmare, and the fix is not cheap.

You can't give away anything with a 6.2 in it right now, especially a truck. Dealers don't even want them on trades as they can't get rid of them by retail sale and the auctions are flooded with them. Changing the oil viscosity isn't going to fix poor design and manufacturing processes.

Oh I never said Ford was an "angel manufacturer". AFAIC, I took a huge chance in buying a Mustang. With about 3K miles, so far so good, but if/when it becomes a pain in the ass, out it goes and quick.

I used to run a large Tier 1 supplier to Ford at the C level, so I know all about how they cheat on their own quality system but audit their suppliers to comply to their system and the list goes on. I had some unique, personal, unusual reasons for buying a Mustang, it meets my needs so far, and that's that.....for now. I hope it keeps it up.

 

[Frogdog1]

Correct.

If one simply digresses and lets manufacturers build cars without all the EPA required stupidity, cars, in general, could be amazing products. Involve a government agency, and things go south as they have and today, anyone can see the crap engines we have. Ditch the turbos in tiny 3 cylinder engines, thin oil, tiny timing chains, electric this, electric that and we could have some very good engines in cars. But nooooo, we have to employ all those EPA people that don't have enough to do. Let's get all the carbon out of the air while we're at it so plants can't breath, then we can't breath and it's all over with......

 

[Neggytive]

But yet Chey spent billions on the Corvette to get it here you think their stockholders are different than Ford stockholders?

GM makes money on every vette that sells above something like $90K

They will milk the C8 mid engine platform for another 10 years, by then all the tooling and design costs will be recovered.

Ford is looking at the 7g and saying they saved a lot of money by using a lot of the same tired design that goes back to 2014, they look at a 4 year refresh and try to figure out how they recover the costs when the whole gas powered Mustang line sold something like 45000 units in 2024 and rumor has it 2025 is not better. The only reason there is a 5.0 Mustang is that Ford is using the same architecture in some trucks.

GM made almost 43000 2024 Vettes, within 2000 units of the Mustang, and they were not Ecoboosts they were all mid engine near Supercar level cars.

Some sources say GM makes a 16% margin on the higher level trims of the C8 .

 

[Paul's stable]

GM makes money on every vette that sells above something like $90K

They will milk the C8 mid engine platform for another 10 years, by then all the tooling and design costs will be recovered.

Ford is looking at the 7g and saying they saved a lot of money by using a lot of the same tired design that goes back to 2014, they look at a 4 year refresh and try to figure out how they recover the costs when the whole gas powered Mustang line sold something like 45000 units in 2024 and rumor has it 2025 is not better. The only reason there is a 5.0 Mustang is that Ford is using the same architecture in some trucks.

GM made almost 43000 2024 Vettes, within 2000 units of the Mustang, and they were not Ecoboosts they were all mid engine near Supercar level cars.

Some sources say GM makes a 16% margin on the higher level trims of the C8 .

Curious how many 25 Camaros the true competition to the mustang did they produce? Stop comparing hypercars to a pony car it not a fair or close competition.

 

[REV745DH24]

2 or 3 seconds is not something to compare which car is faster! The Nürburgring is based on the talent of the driver‘s ability to take on other cars regardlessness of the power of the cars! So let’s just watch the race and see who comes about as a champion! The seconds are just a blimp of differences!

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