It’s official. We have full custom tuning access via OBD II !

[Mr Hyde]

Just ordered the p1 tunes will see how they go. Guess a set of kooks lt and full cat back are in my future now that tuning is unlocked.

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[Joe_Stang]

Just ordered the p1 tunes will see how they go. Guess a set of kooks lt and full cat back are in my future now that tuning is unlocked.

I was thinking headers soon as well but tuning is a start! Atleast we all can build our cars now instead of being stuck

 

[ZXMustang]

Just ordered the p1 tunes will see how they go. Guess a set of kooks lt and full cat back are in my future now that tuning is unlocked.

We got you man. You will be very happy. Headers too, I have some very cool VCT cam angles that make massive used of the scavenging advantage that headers have.

 

[zpduff]

somebody has to be a guinea pig. In our case, it’s me. I have a $55,000 premium Mustang with 1000 miles on it that I have been absolutely beating the ever loving shit out of. I’ve been data logging flashing, tuning testing and to the point almost breaking this car just so I have something that works going forward so you do not have to be the guinea pig.

And maybe 15 hp on 93 but it’s a lot more on 85 which is what the majority of folks will want. And even on the GEN three cars it’s the same price for a custom tune. I don’t understand what you think the last GEN cars cost. The RTD prices are the same. The credits are the same, and the tune costs are basically the same.

If you want the car to drive the way it should drive and make all the power it can make on the given fuel that you’re going to use that you need a custom tune. I guess I tend to forget that a lot of of the folks from this forum probably never owned a previous GEN car and don’t have any experience with what custom tuning actually is and does.

Remember, no matter what you do going forward for performance either engine or transmission you will need a custom tune. This is the base and foundation for everything else that you would want to put on this car to make more power. This is what people have been screaming for for going on two years getting super upset that they either have to gut the car to make it go fast or they have to buy a Whipple at $10,000.

If you’re looking at this situation like oh my God $1000 is too much for 15 hp then once again custom tuning isn’t for you. This is really simple stuff here. I don’t need $200 sunglasses. I don’t see the value in them but somebody else does. Does that make the $200 sunglasses wrong maybe for me but not for the people who want those and are willing to pay for it because they want quality sunglasses with high technology lenses.

To round this out, I’m happy to help out anybody that wants a custom tune. And I can assure you $1000 get you way more than just 15 peak horsepower. It’s easy to downplay what you think you’re getting when you’re not willing to pay for it.

Thanks for the informed responses and dealing with the negative Nancys

 

[ZXMustang]

Thanks for the informed responses and dealing with all the negative Nancys

I try to be as transparent and forthcoming as I can. You cant please everyone, and you also cant care. I do care to a point, but after that caring becomes a liability that starts costing us both money.

Letting folks off the hook so to speak, it really doing both of us a favor. I really try to make it all right and it has cost us money and lots of time. And even though I love doing this, its not worth it when it becomes costly and not fun anymore.

But when I get to work with folks that are understanding, and realize that tuning is a process but we are in it for the long haul, then the results will speak for themselves.

 

[kinelisch]

somebody has to be a guinea pig. In our case, it’s me. I have a $55,000 premium Mustang with 1000 miles on it that I have been absolutely beating the ever loving shit out of. I’ve been data logging flashing, tuning testing and to the point almost breaking this car just so I have something that works going forward so you do not have to be the guinea pig.

And maybe 15 hp on 93 but it’s a lot more on 85 which is what the majority of folks will want. And even on the GEN three cars it’s the same price for a custom tune. I don’t understand what you think the last GEN cars cost. The RTD prices are the same. The credits are the same, and the tune costs are basically the same.

If you want the car to drive the way it should drive and make all the power it can make on the given fuel that you’re going to use that you need a custom tune. I guess I tend to forget that a lot of of the folks from this forum probably never owned a previous GEN car and don’t have any experience with what custom tuning actually is and does.

Remember, no matter what you do going forward for performance either engine or transmission you will need a custom tune. This is the base and foundation for everything else that you would want to put on this car to make more power. This is what people have been screaming for for going on two years getting super upset that they either have to gut the car to make it go fast or they have to buy a Whipple at $10,000.

If you’re looking at this situation like oh my God $1000 is too much for 15 hp then once again custom tuning isn’t for you. This is really simple stuff here. I don’t need $200 sunglasses. I don’t see the value in them but somebody else does. Does that make the $200 sunglasses wrong maybe for me but not for the people who want those and are willing to pay for it because they want quality sunglasses with high technology lenses.

To round this out, I’m happy to help out anybody that wants a custom tune. And I can assure you $1000 get you way more than just 15 peak horsepower. It’s easy to downplay what you think you’re getting when you’re not willing to pay for it.

thanks for taking the time to explain things. Can you do a simple step by step on how to do the procedure once we get the device? data logging, upload, download etc. we appreciate it man.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Any chance they are going to keep the pedal position on Track Mode that more gently applies the throttle when at partial throttle positions to maintain control over the rear tires using throttle position when exiting turns?

Sport mode already makes the throttle response "excited" upon exiting corners and difficult to do "gently."

If you do not know what I mean, go where you can safely slide the rear a little in a turn, and turn with just enough throttle input in Sport Mode to have the rear tires slip just a little bit to the outside. Then do it again at the same speed in Track Mode, and you will discover it takes a little more throttle input (push the throttle a little further) to get the tires to slip.

I am thinking it would be a negative for track days to have this throttle sensitivity changed.

 

[Stangerous]

I really like the fact that PBD and Shoemaker are working tunes. I’m sure yolo the douchebag will have nothing but negativity. He’s such a narcissist asshole!

 

[ZXMustang]

Any chance they are going to keep the pedal position on Track Mode that more gently applies the throttle when at partial throttle positions to maintain control over the rear tires using throttle position when exiting turns?

Sport mode already makes the throttle response "excited" upon exiting corners and difficult to do "gently."

If you do not know what I mean, go where you can safely slide the rear a little in a turn, and turn with just enough throttle input in Sport Mode to have the rear tires slip just a little bit to the outside. Then do it again at the same speed in Track Mode, and you will discover it takes a little more throttle input (push the throttle a little further) to get the tires to slip.

I am thinking it would be a negative for track days to have this throttle sensitivity changed.

We can set it however you want. Each mode has its own pedal demand. Normal I usually set 1:1 perfectly linear to the throttle blade. Sport is more advanced in the initial bite and gets to WOT faster. Track leave alone. And drag is like a steep incline to 90% pedal that puts you at 100% throttle. Super quick open for stand on it launches. But it’s completely your choice.

 

[Klipshpoke]

As others have said, the tune is giving you more than just peak hp. Typically, they're getting more hp and torque throughout the rev range. The Ford Performance tune for the S550 for 2015-2017 cars also allowed no-lift shifting (which wasn't standard on the car at the time), allowed for different rear gears, changes throttle response, and shift logic for automatics. The peak gains were only 13 hp and 16 lb-ft, but the tune gained 40 lb-ft at 1500 rpm. Is that worth what it costs? That's up to the individual.

By the way, just changing the throttle response CAN make a car feel like it has a lot more power. That's why pedal commanders and the like are so popular. Many modern drive by wire cars can feel a little sluggish compared to older, throttle cable actuated cars.

That power pack 2 saved a 17 GT for me. I was disappointed in the car until the day I installed that. It was much more than 25 ish hp.

 

[ChitownStang]

We can set it however you want. Each mode has its own pedal demand. Normal I usually set 1:1 perfectly linear to the throttle blade. Sport is more advanced in the initial bite and gets to WOT faster. Track leave alone. And drag is like a steep incline to 90% pedal that puts you at 100% throttle. Super quick open for stand on it launches. But it’s completely your choice.

I’ve asked like 14 times now on multiple threads but you guys won’t answer simple questions. Not sure why
I repeat..
Will the RTD +3 device be supported now or soon?
Will a tune require turning off Fords OTA updates?

 

[Puddinpop]

I’ve asked like 14 times now on multiple threads but you guys won’t answer simple questions. Not sure why
I repeat..
Will the RTD +3 device be supported now or soon?
Will a tune require turning off Fords OTA updates?

As far as I know the MPVI3 and the RTD 4 are the only devices supported/capable of tuning the s650. Not sure about the OTA thing. Maybe Zx can chime in on that.

 

[ZXMustang]

I’ve asked like 14 times now on multiple threads but you guys won’t answer simple questions. Not sure why
I repeat..
Will the RTD +3 device be supported now or soon?
Will a tune require turning off Fords OTA updates?

No the RTD3+ isnt supported. Only the RTD4 for TDN. And I dont know about OTA updates, but realize that if the car does get updates OTA for the PCM/TCM, then you can just flash your tune back on the car.

For the MPVI devices, I use an MPVI2+ and it works with VCM editor/scanner, but I had not tried it with TDN yet. Who will know. And my apologies, so many questions come in so fast its hard to keep it all straight.

 

[ChitownStang]

No the RTD3+ isnt supported. Only the RTD4 for TDN. And I dont know about OTA updates, but realize that if the car does get updates OTA for the PCM/TCM, then you can just flash your tune back on the car.

For the MPVI devices, I use an MPVI2+ and it works with VCM editor/scanner, but I had not tried it with TDN yet. Who will know. And my apologies, so many questions come in so fast its hard to keep it all straight.

All good ZX, Thank you for responding so quickly.
Reason I ask is some tuners are saying the RTD3 will be supported eventually.
$300 little over a year ago for a paperweight is such a bullshit cash grab imo.
Lack of R&D on the S650 and The whole unknown OTA situation really concerns me.
I do hope we get more solid answers in the next few weeks.
oh and thanks you for eating g the shit out of your car testing! Lol

 

[ZXMustang]

All good ZX, Thank you for responding so quickly.
Reason I ask is some tuners are saying the RTD3 will be supported eventually.
$300 little over a year ago for a paperweight is such a bullshit cash grab imo.
Lack of R&D on the S650 and The whole unknown OTA situation really concerns me.
I do hope we get more solid answers in the next few weeks.
oh and thanks you for eating g the shit out of your car testing! Lol

Yeah we have been getting very little info from HPT and there are still a lot of questions in the air. I KNOW for a fact that they rushed this out because SCT leaked they were going to have their s650 solution on this monday (tomorrow). HPT wanted to be first to market. They are about 75% there with everything. There is a laundry list of items still need to be worked out.

Reading with VCM editor is still broken. I was lucky enough to get an updated 25 GT cal directly from HPT because we pay for their highest tier dealer/resellers program. So I had a working stock cal I could tune and flash because flashing is working well.

There are new betas of their VCM suite being added hourly that is fixing all sorts of bugs and quirks with editor and scanner.

With all that being said, I have a solid E85 tune for any 24/25 GT and DH both manual and 10R80 that I would sell to anyone. I've got almost 30 hours of dev and testing in it and I've driven close to 500 miles on it this weekend in my car in FL 97* heat.

As I said I've beat this car to within an inch of its life. Kudos to ford. Its taken it like a champ. And the car LOVES E85.

When I tell you it feels like a different car, I mean it. Its an absolute blast to drive on the stock tires. My DRs are going on right after I put it on the dyno to get our numbers, but on the stock tires in stock trim with full E85 tuned, its a riot to rip around in. Im hoping we match the 460ish that most are seeing with these completely mechanically stock on E85. Mine is taking all the spark I would want it to have on full E and it loves it.

Plus I have some super secret VCT cam angles for wide open throttle that should make power all the way to 8k RPM. We will see in a day or two...

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