2024 Mustang sales lowest in history of Mustang

[MidwayJ]

Here me out, what if Ford developed a next gen mustang to ride on the same platform as a sedan, and maybe even found a way where that platform could accommodate a next gen mach-e with both gas and electric powertrain capabilities.

I don't think it's feasible to have a platform used for both gas and electric vehicles. EVs are just too different, starting with the location of the batteries.

What if Ford took this EV platform, this tiny, inexpensive platform, and gave us a small EV coupe with a starting price of around 25-30k and maybe 250 hp?

I think there's some merit to this, although I think it would be more marketable as a little "hot hatch" than a coupe. I don't think it could be a "Mustang" either way. The biggest barrier is cost. This EV would need a low price, but the entire industry struggles to build EVs cheaply enough to price them low.

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[MidwayJ]

The s650 just has more prominent hips, one of several design improvements over the s550,

I agree it's silly to say the S650 shape overall is a rip off of the Camaro, but those hips look just like the 6th Gen Camaro, lol. Design improvement? Exterior styling is mostly subjective.

I think the bottom line is if Ford had released something more radically new and fresh in terms of the chassis and interior quality (think S550 vs. S197), the price would be less objectionable.

 

[jimbo67]

I agree it's silly to say the S650 shape overall is a rip off of the Camaro, but those hips look just like the 6th Gen Camaro, lol. Design improvement? Exterior styling is mostly subjective.

I think the bottom line is if Ford had released something more radically new and fresh in terms of the chassis and interior quality (think S550 vs. S197), the price would be less objectionable.

S650/S550, both have hips that don't lie! There is no other American car like that other than a Corvette! Will be a sad day when they don't exist anymore! Our generation loves them, the next doesn't care. They may think it's cool, but does nothing for them. It will be a toy for rich future generations.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Yeah but obviously the sedan would outsell the coupe, then what’s stopping Ford from being like “let’s cancel the coupe for the sedan. It just has extra doors” that’s one thing people don’t consider. That’s very possible considering how they’re all twisting this Mach E thing

I know they're not direct competitors anymore, but if the Charger Six-pack (coupe or sedan) starts at $40K, I think Ford might rethink their pricing strategy for the Mustang...maybe.

 

[jimbo67]

Going down the modification road. What would you do to hot rod an EV. Whatever that means? Pay to upgrade, to the next level in performance, pay to upgrade to self driving, my guess the next generation would rather have a car that drives them and be able to be on there cell. They do it now while driving, maybe it's safer for all of us.

 

[MaddNomad]

I know they're not direct competitors anymore, but if the Charger Six-pack (coupe or sedan) starts at $40K, I think Ford might rethink their pricing strategy for the Mustang...maybe.

That thing will probably still be expensive honestly. That Stellantis ship is a interesting to watch though.

Wasn’t there a Camaro teased by the CEO last year? I know they were hinting at it being essentially a Camaro Mach E but that would be interesting if they came out with a new 2 door Camaro

 

[MidwayJ]

... pay to upgrade to self driving, my guess the next generation would rather have a car that drives them and be able to be on there cell. They do it now while driving, maybe it's safer for all of us.

I totally agree. I'm more in support of expanding mass transit than self driving. If the people who don't want to drive are off the f-ing road, the driving environment for enthusiasts will be better and safer.

 

[robvas]

Going down the modification road. What would you do to hot rod an EV. Whatever that means? Pay to upgrade, to the next level in performance, pay to upgrade to self driving, my guess the next generation would rather have a car that drives them and be able to be on there cell. They do it now while driving, maybe it's safer for all of us.

You buy the $995 upgrade from Ford just like on the Mach E

ford doesn't want you modifying the S650 anyway

 

[Gregs24]

Not sure which part of the overall experience of "driving an ICE V8 NA American muscle car with history" you don't understand.

I was responding to the words in your post about people not be able to cope with 480PS

 

[jimbo67]

You buy the $995 upgrade from Ford just like on the Mach E

ford doesn't want you modifying the S650 anyway

Right, why let you mod a 24 S650, which would be cheaper than purchasing 25 when they are asking 5000 more for the same car?

 

[Gregs24]

So how do you achieve a long run average of 2% inflation if inflation is always greater than 2%?

Seems to me that if you want to target a long run inflation of 2% and you have a significant spike of inflation in one year, you would have to target 0-1% inflation for a decade plus in order to achieve a long run inflation of 2%.

Also, who believes the government CPI these days? True inflation is probably 2-3x what the BLS is putting out.

The Fed funds rate needs to be at least 200-500 basis points higher to combat true inflation.


... also, here's a question that's enlightening:

Has the average or median income exceeded inflation? The answers to both of those figures could shed some light as to why it's such a bifurcated economy.

Achieving around 2% for long periods is possible, indeed the US has managed it before and recently. Anywhere from 1% to 3% is fine.

You cannot correct for spikes with 0% or less as this is catastrophic. I'm afraid spikes are bad news and the impact always remains, you then get pressure on wages to increase too.

If you don't 'believe' your government figures it is a little odd as I assume, as in the UK, the calculation method is freely available. You might not like it but it doesn't mean the figure is wrong.

 

[Gregs24]

I don't know about that.

It looks too much like the previous model (which make sense since it's just a new front/rear end), and it also started to adapt the same ugly front end styling of every other car. The rear end is an eyesore as well.

People compare it to an Accord. That's not good for any car.

People also say it looks like the Camaro. Mustang owners don't want to look like a Camaro.

Eh? It looks nothing like a Honda Accord? The rear end is very similar to the S550. Seriously looks are not an issue, it is clearly a Mustang.

 

[Gregs24]

I use an inflation calculator for a lot of stuff, its a real eye opener. I made $121K in 2014, adjusted for inflation, that's around $167K today, and I make nowhere near that now. On the other hand, the new GT I bought in 2014 stickered at $33K, and the one I just got stickered at $44K, which is exactly in line with inflation.

Except your maths is wrong! 33 to 44 and 121 to 167 are not the same percentage increase!

 

[Gregs24]

Have you noticed EVs all look alike? They have the same skateboard type of proportions. That`s the fear I would have sharing a platform.

Erm the SUV's do, but the non SUV's don't. MG Cyberster, Porsche Taycan, BMW i5. They just look like the cars from the segment they are in. The reason a lot of EV's are SUV's is that is where the biggest sales are.

 

[robvas]

Eh? It looks nothing like a Honda Accord? The rear end is very similar to the S550. Seriously looks are not an issue, it is clearly a Mustang.

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