"Mach 4" 4-Door Mustang + Off-Road Baja Mustang models previewed at Ford dealers meeting!

[Mustang1987]

Bronco was originally made to be a SUV Mustang though wasn’t it, Farley and many others have brought it up a lot, along with the fact it was approved on the same day.

They could’ve done that without the name though which is why sometimes I side eye Farley’s comments. This 4 door car will probably perform similar to the Aussie Falcon from 2014. I only bring that car up a lot because that’s the recent performance model that fits this “4 door Mustang” thing.


they could’ve done regardless though. I’m one of those people that wants to see a mid engine Mustang since it’s been experimented with in concept form and with the Boss 429.

Just looked up the 2014 falcon, and it has pretty good performance numbers. Needs to look better (more aggressive) but not bad.

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[MaddNomad]

Just looked up the 2014 falcon, and it has pretty good performance numbers. Needs to look better (more aggressive) but not bad.

It’s like the big brother Fusion keeps telling you he has but you don’t believe him.

 

[Mustang1987]

It’s like the big brother Fusion keeps telling you he has but you don’t believe him.

 

[Radiant]

Is a mustang a bronco?

Is the Bronco a rally car? Nah? Hence the Mach-E Rally.

Sticking a 2.5L hybrid into a 4-door AWD sedan, along with "sport" variants with the 2.3L Ecoboost, is smart. The "mock Mustangs" (Mach-E, Mach 4) share parts with Ford's other vehicles, won't compete with the Mustang Fastback, and likely can be built at FRAP letting them bring it up to capacity.

 

[Zig]

Is the Bronco a rally car? Nah? Hence the Mach-E Rally.

Sticking a 2.5L hybrid into a 4-door AWD sedan, along with "sport" variants with the 2.3L Ecoboost, is smart. The "mock Mustangs" (Mach-E, Mach 4) share parts with Ford's other vehicles, won't compete with the Mustang Fastback, and likely can be built at FRAP letting them bring it up to capacity.

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[BoostRabbitGT]

I plan on writing a more detailed reaction after work today, but the big question I have right now is: If the Mach 4 gets the Coyote engine as an option, will it be as limited/exclusive production as the Cadillac Blackwing series? (More so like the GTD? Less so like the Dark Horse?)

 

[DeluxeStang]

With this being so close to Pebble Beach, and the announcement coming tomorrow, I wonder if Ford will openly talk about this stuff, or better yet, show it off.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I get that but you don’t have to strap the Mustang name on to every performance variant car to help boost sales. That’s the point I was getting at.

It's a real Halloween 3:Season of the Witch situation with the mustang right now. That movie is now seen as one of the best in that film franchise, but was hated upon initial release because it has nothing to do with the other films in the series. But it was only made because of the Halloween branding being slapped onto it.

Much like how interesting enthusiasts cars can only really be justified now if they tie into strong and historical names. Without that connection, they aren't greenlit, with it, enthusiasts are upset because it doesn't align with the rest of the brand and it's products.

It's impossible to make everyone happy, but I'd rather live in a world where sporty sedans and coupes exist with controversial names, over a world where those types of products cease to exist at all out of fear of offending people. The mustang has been almost anything, a hatch, a economy car, a canyon carver, and straight line brute. It's used v8s, v10s, 6 and 4 cyls. It's looked round, boxy. futuristic and retro.

Really the only thing I associate with a mustang by this point is a fun enthusiasts car with a long hood, tri-bar taillights, flared fenders, and great performance for the money. Beyond that, basically everything else about the mustang has shifted in some way throughout the car's existence.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Do any of you suppose, akin to the way the GTD leaked 2 days before the reveal, that this sudden wave of information might have something to do with the event tomorrow?

I find it very possible, not guaranteed, but highly likely. I mentioned how that teaser from a few days ago looked like a sedan. Everyone thought I was nuts, and who knows, I probably am. But there could be something going on there.

 

[MaddNomad]

It's a real Halloween 3:Season of the Witch situation with the mustang right now. That movie is now seen as one of the best in that film franchise, but was hated upon initial release because it has nothing to do with the other films in the series. But it was only made because of the Halloween branding being slapped onto it.

Much like how interesting enthusiasts cars can only really be justified now if they tie into strong and historical names. Without that connection, they aren't greenlit, with it, enthusiasts are upset because it doesn't align with the rest of the brand and it's products.

It's impossible to make everyone happy, but I'd rather live in a world where sporty sedans and coupes exist with controversial names, over a world where those types of products cease to exist at all out of fear of offending people. The mustang has been almost anything, a hatch, a economy car, a canyon carver, and straight line brute. It's used v8s, v10s, 6 and 4 cyls. It's looked round, boxy. futuristic and retro.

Really the only thing I associate with a mustang by this point is a fun enthusiasts car with a long hood, tri-bar taillights, flared fenders, and great performance for the money. Beyond that, basically everything else about the mustang has shifted in some way throughout the car's existence.

It’s always been based around a 2 door coupe though. Ford experimenting is good but this is just marketing. I think that’s why it bothers me. There’s a reason why Ford went back to the drawing board when the Probe was about to release as a Mustang.

but in the end like I was saying earlier makes no difference because the car is pretty much on its way now

 

[DeluxeStang]

It’s always been based around a 2 door coupe though. Ford experimenting is good but this is just marketing.l and that’s why it bothers me. There’s a reason why Ford went back to the drawing board when the Probe was about to release as a Mustang.

but in the end like I was saying earlier makes no difference because the car is pretty much on its way now

Fair point, but so was the original charger. When the charger became a sedan, everyone was upset at first, and then it basically saved the dodge muscle car, and keep in mind, the four door charger was the only version of the car that existed. At least with the mustang, you'll have the option of the two door, or the sedan.

I mean heck, the original mustang concept was a mid-engine roadster, so seeing new mustang body styles and ideas is something we've seen our fair share of before. While some were flops, most of these ideas made the mustang better and more appealing to a wider audience.

 

[xrs]

Can someone please tell the marketing "Gurus" (i use that term loosely) at Ford that they don't have to put mustang on every model, we do like Falcon or Fusion, I am still on the fence with Taurus but thats another matter.

 

[NegativeMultiplier]

I find it very possible, not guaranteed, but highly likely. I mentioned how that teaser from a few days ago looked like a sedan. Everyone thought I was nuts, and who knows, I probably am. But there could be something going on there.

Admittedly I was one of those people...

The teaser had specified that it was going to be a Mustang GT, and while I hadn't voiced that concern I figured there was no way it would be a sedan. But now this is a direct slap in the face from Ford with a reminder to keep an open mind.

 

[MaddNomad]

Fair point, but so was the original charger. When the charger became a sedan, everyone was upset at first, and then it basically saved the dodge muscle car, and keep in mind, the four door charger was the only version of the car that existed. At least with the mustang, you'll have the option of the two door, or the sedan.

I mean heck, the original mustang concept was a mid-engine roadster, so seeing new mustang body styles and ideas is something we've seen our fair share of before. While some were flops, most of these ideas made the mustang better and more appealing to a wider audience.

Before that it was the little Omni thing which got a lot of heat at the time. Besides I wouldn’t use Dodge as an example of good decisions.

after all Mustang is bigger then anything they’ve made in my opinion, and I say that as far as legacy and staying power. Only Ford with the Mustang and Chevy with the Corvette has a nameplate that almost transcends the manufacturer, but it’s because of what it is. They were cars that were so good that companies made clones of them essentially.

 

[IceGamer]

I wonder if the mach 4 will be based on the looks of the s650.

I'm sure it's to compete with the new two door or four door charger so dodge doesn't have that market for themselves.

Going by what Farley said before, it will be performance oriented. So using the mustang nameplate isn't bad if the mustang nameplate stays performance oriented.

It will definitely inherit some of the Mustang styling - hence the name. Just look at the Mach-E. It has zero in common with the regular Mustang but based on styling it somehow resembles a Mustang (tribar lights, pony emblem, front somewhat similar etc.).

Besides, I doubt that any further "Mustang" is produced at Flatrock because the D2C platform is vastly outdated. And if it's not produced at Flatrock but somewhere else they aren't limited by what the platform has to offer. AWD, Hybrid, all kinds of new tech-features and a longer wheelbase are just a few things the 'new' Mustang could get. Basically we could get a truly brand new Mustang through the backdoor.
Looking further down the line Ford might close Flatrock, something that would upset quite a few people. But if the Mustang would've been in production at several plants people might care less...

Or maybe they just somehow again adapt the D2C platform and we get the regular S650 with a longer wheelbase and four doors...

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