PP Oil Cooler install on my non-performance pack S650 Mustang

[Stang24]

Finally installed the performance pack oil cooler on my non-performance packS650 Mustang. Check out the video for install and overview!

2024 MUSTANG MAJOR ISSUE FIXED (OIL COOLER INSTALL)

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[roadpilot]

Are you planning on tracking it? If not, why add the cooler?

 

[JPGC_S650]

Are you planning on tracking it? If not, why add the cooler?

That's no different that asking someone who buys a Dark Horse or PP GT if they are going to track their car.....I may consider this mod or a aftermarket equivalent and I don't often take mine to the track. I do however; love to go mountain driving which there are a lot of places to do that in my area. Even not tracking it, the temps on a base get pretty hot quickly.

 

[erocker]

Are you planning on tracking it? If not, why add the cooler?

If you can install an oil cooler on any car. Do it. Nothing wrong with wanting more longevity out of your engine. Especially with engines that run pretty damn hot stock.

 

[Kitt5.0]

If you can install an oil cooler on any car. Do it. Nothing wrong with wanting more longevity out of your engine. Especially with engines that run pretty damn hot stock.

What is the risk of the cooler failing though, and would you be able to tell before it’s too late? (Sorry for my lack of knowledge). Genuinely curious. Trying to figure out whether it’s worth it.

 

[roadpilot]

That's no different that asking someone who buys a Dark Horse or PP GT if they are going to track their car.....

Not really. You're adding something to the vehicle that the manufacturer didn't believe it needed and did not install.

I may consider this mod or a aftermarket equivalent and I don't often take mine to the track. I do however; love to go mountain driving which there are a lot of places to do that in my area. Even not tracking it, the temps on a base get pretty hot quickly.

You can add $100,000 worth of mods to your car if you want. But in some cases, adding a mod without a tangible benefit or purpose does little more than make you feel good and/or empty your wallet.

As a general rule, 230F to 260F is pretty normal oil temperature for most vehicles. Oil running within normal operating temps improves viscosity, which helps it protect the engine.

Dino oil above 280F to 300F will start to degrade, so you'd need a cooler at that point if running conventional oil. Synthetic blends are mostly conventional oil, which is what comes from the factory. If you run full synthetic, you're looking at well above 400F or more before it starts degrading.

If a daily driver needed an oil cooler, I'm sure Ford would have thought of that. I guess every other vehicle that drives mountainous roads is a disaster waiting to happen ...

If you can install an oil cooler on any car. Do it. Nothing wrong with wanting more longevity out of your engine. Especially with engines that run pretty damn hot stock.

Nobody said it was "wrong". But it is a waste of money if there's not a tangible benefit from doing it.

Beyond that, it adds another point of failure.

Your car, your money. But that is beside the point.

 

[JPGC_S650]

Not really. You're adding something to the vehicle that the manufacturer didn't believe it needed and did not install.

You can add $100,000 worth of mods to your car if you want. But in some cases, adding a mod without a tangible benefit or purpose does little more than make you feel good and/or empty your wallet. If a daily driver needed an oil cooler, I'm sure Ford would have thought of that. I guess every other vehicle that drives mountainous roads is a disaster waiting to happen ...

Nobody said it was "wrong". But it is a waste of money if there's not a tangible benefit from doing it.

Beyond that, it adds another point of failure.

Your car, your money. But that is beside the point.

There is a reason I said "may" as I want to see further testing on the aftermarket units to see the results. +/- 10 degree isn't enough for me as the cost isn't worth it. Especially with the total price of the ford parts getting close to $1k (I haven't verified that).
Buying a PP or building a base to similar is a person's choice. Ford wouldn't offer the PP or DH for that matter with the additional cooling items to cool different components if they didn't think it was needed. The difference in power/ drivetrain between the base, GT PP, and DH is not substantial enough to change this opinion.

 

[roadpilot]

Ford wouldn't offer the PP or DH for that matter with the additional cooling items to cool different components if they didn't think it was needed.

The hell they won't! And do!

It's called marketing. No different than "Win on Sunday, buy on Monday".

Some people will spend thousands more (for parts only cost Ford hundreds) for a DH or PP just to say they have one and to play Ricky Racer. Ford isn't dumb - they do it to make money. What percentage of people who buy a DH GT PP are actually going to track it? Very few.

 

[JPGC_S650]

The hell they won't! And do!

It's called marketing. No different than "Win on Sunday, buy on Monday".

Some people will spend thousands more (for parts only cost Ford hundreds) for a DH or PP just to say they have one and to play Ricky Racer. Ford isn't dumb - they do it to make money. What percentage of people who buy a DH GT PP are actually going to track it? Very few.

Nobody denies the marketing and hype. We all know Ford is in the business to make money. You are right though....Ford does make a fortune on people buying over spec'd vehicles that they will never use as intended. Call them Ricky Racers or call them clout chasers. Their money. Just like so many folks nowadays like to hope on social media and question why somebody wants to do something with their own money.

 

[erocker]

Not really. You're adding something to the vehicle that the manufacturer didn't believe it needed and did not install.

You can add $100,000 worth of mods to your car if you want. But in some cases, adding a mod without a tangible benefit or purpose does little more than make you feel good and/or empty your wallet.

As a general rule, 230F to 260F is pretty normal oil temperature for most vehicles. Oil running within normal operating temps improves viscosity, which helps it protect the engine.

Dino oil above 280F to 300F will start to degrade, so you'd need a cooler at that point if running conventional oil. Synthetic blends are mostly conventional oil, which is what comes from the factory. If you run full synthetic, you're looking at well above 400F or more before it starts degrading.

If a daily driver needed an oil cooler, I'm sure Ford would have thought of that. I guess every other vehicle that drives mountainous roads is a disaster waiting to happen ...

Nobody said it was "wrong". But it is a waste of money if there's not a tangible benefit from doing it.

Beyond that, it adds another point of failure.

Your car, your money. But that is beside the point.

There is a benefit from it, especially when the "normal operating" temperature of this engine is high.

 

[krisk]

The hell they won't! And do!

It's called marketing. No different than "Win on Sunday, buy on Monday".

Some people will spend thousands more (for parts only cost Ford hundreds) for a DH or PP just to say they have one and to play Ricky Racer. Ford isn't dumb - they do it to make money. What percentage of people who buy a DH GT PP are actually going to track it? Very few.

When I bought my PP I wasn't really thinking about tracking it, but I wanted the leather seats, single screen, Brembos, 3.55 Torsen, spoiler, and ability to get Magneride. I was willing to pay the extra money over a base GT for those items even though tracking was not my plan. Now that I have started tracking it, I've been pleasantly surprised at how well it does. My only complaint is the rear axle overheating, so I will be adding a cooler (which I would have had if I went with the DH). TBH, if I had known I was going to track it when I bought it, I still don't know if would have gone for the Dark Horse because I didn't like the front grill design or the seats. That said, I would have paid the extra for the Dark Horse if I preferred its design over the GT, even though I hadn't plan to track it. Sometimes its not that people buy more car than needed because they want to act like something they are not; it's often they simply like the design or features only available in the higher level trims.

 

[roadpilot]

Nobody denies the marketing and hype. We all know Ford is in the business to make money. You are right though....Ford does make a fortune on people buying over spec'd vehicles that they will never use as intended. Call them Ricky Racers or call them clout chasers. Their money. Just like so many folks nowadays like to hope on social media and question why somebody wants to do something with their own money.

Agreed.

 

[roadpilot]

There is a benefit from it, especially when the "normal operating" temperature of this engine is high.

Your engine oil temperature runs above 280F?

 

[roadpilot]

My only complaint is the rear axle overheating, so I will be adding a cooler

You're doing it the RIGHT way. You have more than just anecdotal evidence that you NEED a diff cooler for how are using your vehicle. You're not just adding things based on thoughts or feelings.

TBH, if I had known I was going to track it when I bought it, I still don't know if would have gone for the Dark Horse because I didn't like the front grill design or the seats.

Oh, hush! The DH grille is MUCH cooler looking than the GT grille ... unless you have a BBQ on the front of your GT ...

That said, I would have paid the extra for the Dark Horse if I preferred its design over the GT, even though I hadn't plan to track it. Sometimes its not that people buy more car than needed because they want to act like something they are not; it's often they simply like the design or features only available in the higher level trims.

Agreed. But if you're spending more than what you NEED, then you're buying into the marketing to at least some degree ...

 

[krisk]

Agreed. But if you're spending more than what you NEED, then you're buying into the marketing to at least some degree ...

I spent more than what I "needed" when I bought the Mustang. I do get your point, and I agree with you about the waste in just buying parts simply to say you have them.

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