Someone please lock this thread for me. I will stick to news lurking and keep to myself from now on.

[BoostRabbitGT]

First, the Mustang GTs. Universally I think they have more than adequate throttle response for my style of driving, both in Normal and Sport+, and steering weight all around (I tested with Sport steering) feels more communicative between road and driver, but with noticeably lighter steering weight compared to the S550's Sport steering mode.

Base w/standard 18" wheels: most comfortable, nice handling, 3.55 gear ratio was smooth
Base Performance Pack: best at handling, worst at road noise, uncertain about ride quality
Premium w/standard 19" wheels: maybe slightly less comfortable than the 18" wheels, but nice ride almost as, if not comparable to, the 18"s, 3.15 gears were smooth in Normal and Sport+ modes

Premium w/optional 20" wheels: I felt less confident taking turns spiritedly with this setup, rides notably harsher than 18"/19" wheels

Premium Performance Pack with Magneride: better than base PP, stiff but planted ride even with MR (still better than 20" wheels), slightly more steering weight than non-PP?, standard exhaust is quieter than '18-23 standard

California Special Convertible: less rear visibility than coupe, better handling than 20" wheels, 3.15 gearing was slightly choppy when changing gears at low/city speeds.

And now for the competition below!
'25 Acura Integra A-Spec with Technology: excellent handling weight and accuracy, small rear window but can still see plenty from rear view mirror, sounds pretty nice if not particularly exciting

'21 Audi S5 Sportback: accurate but unengaging steering, otherwise a nice, fun sounding/performing car
'25 BMW 330i: better overall visibility, ride quality, and driving dynamics than the 430i
'25 BMW 430i: love the liftback utility and overall performance, not so much the stiff-ish ride
'24 Cadillac CT5 Premium Luxury (V6): take the Camaro's handling and performance and remove the blind spots, nice sound from the V6 yet satisfyingly quiet when not under full throttle

'25 Cadillac CT5 Sport (turbo I4): excellent infotainment/interior, light steering and noticeable turbo lag
'25 Cadillac CT5 Premium Luxury (V6): Goldilocks steering feel compared to the '25 Sport and the '24 Premium Luxury trims? (still a great vehicle in my opinion)

'14 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible (Z51 3LT): slightly lighter steering than the Camaro, firmer ride, better visibility forward but worse blind spots looking back.

'19 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Coupe (1LT): similar steering to the Camaro, better visibility than the convertible other than the left side blind spot, quieter sound than the Mustang GT (but also probably not piped in)

'18 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (modded): immediate visibility better than anticipated, but overbearing noise from exhaust mods.

'19 Chevrolet Camaro 1SS: excellent handling/performance, but awful blind spots at B/C pillars, hard to trust side mirrors

'20 Dodge Charger R/T Scat Pack: more responsive than the R/T (maybe to a fault), potential handling gripes resolved with Sport Mode

'23 Dodge Challenger R/T Scat Pack: better handling than the Charger R/T, felt spacious yet tank-like inside
'23 Dodge Charger R/T: quieter V8, more practical body style, but felt less confident in the turns
'16 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350: I like this transmission! And it sounds and drives nice! (But I don't think I could daily it.)

'19 Ford Mustang Bullitt (MT82): The end of my manual journey with the Mustang...I'm too short to fully engage the clutch pedal from a comfortable seating/driving position. Auto Rev Match was highly appreciated from my end going from idle to motion though!

'21 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (non-HP, 10A): I'll stick to non-PP/Magneride Mustangs from hereon out (very stiff ride/very heavy steering in Sport Mode---more so than the regular GT from my experience)

'23 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (Tremec): Hey, I remember how to transition from idle to motion!
'24 Ford F-150 STX (V8): simple V8 fun with simple analog key/controls, yet almost luxury-like silence inside until I floor the accelerator.

'23 Genesis G70 (3.3T V6 RWD): luxury or performance compact sedan? (UPDATE 9/28: test drove a '24 model, Sport mode resolved what I originally perceived to be an identity crisis for the G70. Steering felt light-ish yet accurate-ish, definitely had a playful character!)

'22 Hyundai Elantra N (DCT): loud/drones in Sport/N mode, nice handling/acceleration, firm suspension, not sold on its or the refreshes' looks (UPDATE 4/7: Test drove a '25 model. Looks better in person, otherwise an identical driving experience. I don't think this model droned as much.)

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'23 Hyundai Sonata N-Line: sounds better than my EcoBoost from the inside, but spry acceleration aside it felt like it lost grunt on the highway quickly at mid/high RPMs (UPDATE 10/2: test drove a '24/'25 model, Active Sound Design (that's the name of the feature that made the N-Line sound better than the 'Boost) kept me smiling throughout the test drive, but even in Sport mode the steering felt light*.)

'24 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Limited: The '19 Sonata Hybrid had a much smoother transmission. (UPDATE 9/28: test drove another '24 model (SEL trim), Sport mode makes this car feel noticeably more engaging to drive, and switching between electric and gas isn't as rough as I remember [still noticeable, but not deal-breakingly so].)

(UPDATE 10/2: test drove another '24/'25 model (Limited trim), this one was kind of loud under moderate acceleration in Sport mode, and for some reason the steering felt super light*.)

(*I'm wondering if the steering weight feeling so light was the result of being set individually in the My Drive Mode as opposed to just using the preprogrammed Sport drive mode.)

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'24 Hyundai Tucson Hybrid N Line: ...why am I enjoying driving this of all vehicles as much as I am? (better handling feel, quieter powertrain than the Sonatas, I think having AWD makes a major difference here for the driving experience---which makes me wonder more why the Sonata doesn't have AWD available as an option for the N-Line and Limited?!)

'25 Kia K5 GT-Line AWD: fun in the city, less so on the highway, potential extended gear hang in Sport mode
'22 Lexus IS350 F-Sport AWD: the RC350 with more doors and less curb appeal
'24 Lexus RC350 F-Sport RWD: more luxe than sporty in regard to driving dynamics, but I still find it plenty engaging for my style of driving. (Sport Mode tightens up the steering to my liking)

'25 Lexus NX350 F-Sport AWD: the IS350 if it was a slightly better looking (if less athletic) SUV, sounds blah despite having decent power

'24 Mazda Mazda3 Hatchback AWD 2.5 Turbo Premium Plus: (Wow, what a mouthful.) blind spots aren't as scary as I remember, still very engaging to drive, but now with a more responsive, ready-to-play engine

'24 Mazda Miata Grand Touring (automatic): "Connect With The Road, the vehicle." more pleasant ride than the WRX and I didn't feel intimidated or underpowered even while driving around semi-trucks at highway speeds

'18 Mercedes-AMG C63: excellent handling accuracy if light feeling, engine/exhaust too quiet, road noise too loud, suspension felt firm

'24 Mercedes-Benz C300 4MATIC: light steering in Sport Mode, well-damped suspension (want/need to try a C300 with the AMG-Line
'24 Mercedes-Benz CLA250 4MATIC: nice engaging sound, stiffer suspension, handles/accelerates nicely

'23 Mercedes-Benz E450: "Build Quality, the vehicle." Nearly silent inside save at high RPMs, very pleasing drive
'19 Porsche Panamera: a full-size sedan that turns more like a compact sedan, nice V6 sound
'24 Subaru WRX (manual): I stalled a lot, and the shifter felt a lot more clunky than the Tremec.
'24 Subaru WRX (CVT): sounds nice at mid/high RPM, rough ride, light steering, subtly annoying drone while idling

'23 Toyota Prius Limited (FWD): decent-ish acceleration, can be fun around the corners, quieter under acceleration than I thought it would be (UPDATE 4/7: Test drove a '25 Limited with AWD. Better acceleration, but still best to accelerate smoothly merging on to the highway as opposed to flooring it. Other than that, still somehow one of the cars I'm considering if the GT/Mach-4 falls through...)

'25 Toyota Corolla Hatchback SE: better steering weight than the '19 (no dead zones, but felt numb/inaccurate at parking speeds), still underpowered

'25 Toyota Camry XSE (AWD): More power on demand than the Prius, but not as fun to drive.
'20 Toyota GR Supra: great steering feedback, nice balanced ride quality, quiet at low RPMs
'24 Volkswagen Golf GTI: steering feels nice if a bit light, ultimately not what I'm looking for.

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[roadpilot]

Regardless of what you do, you should learn how to drive a stick. You never know -- you might be out with someone (who is driving a stick) who gets injured and can't drive back. ;)

 

[RLE55]

 

[Upacurb]

(The short version: I test drove a GT350 today, which turned out to be a surprisingly enjoyable experience. I liked the transmission and loved the sound of the Voodoo from the inside of the vehicle! But I probably wouldn't buy it as a daily driver though, unless...?)

Today I got the opportunity to test drive a used GT350. After the salesperson drove it to a relatively secluded area, he trained me on how to smoothly transition from idle to motion. And I was able to do so! I even got to fourth gear this time! That Tremec is truly something else, I'm not sure if I could do what I did today on a Getrag-equipped GT after that. It's a lot smoother than the transmission from the '24 WRX I test drove later today, that's for sure (I never stalled with the Tremec, not even once---the WRX however...many times ). Afterwards, the salesperson drove the car back to the dealership and really let that Voodoo engine sing! I have to say, the first time I heard it in person years ago, I was not impressed at all (I thought it sounded too shrill and treble-y for my liking). But inside and outside the GT350 now...absolute music to my ears!

Overall, I'd definitely consider getting a used GT350 if I had the opportunity to. However, seeing as my next car would replace my daily driver, I'd be highly concerned with the vehicle's reliability, especially with the stories I've heard about the Voodoo's durability alongside oil consumption. My other concern would be if I really want to daily drive a stick-shift for the next 5-6 years, and personally, as great as the Voodoo was, I'm still not honestly convinced I'd want to do so. Lastly, I'd probably want to go with the '18-20 GT350s if I wanted to pull the trigger on a used one (the one I test drove was a '16), ideally under 10K miles, maybe under 20K miles.

For now though, my target remains a '24+ GT...with or without the Performance Pack AND Magneride. A little less than a year and a half to go until I've fully paid off my EcoBoost...and only then will I likely know if a GT is doable as my next daily driver.

As a 350 owner- I wouldnt daily drive my car .....

The issue with the VooDoo is really a few things

1. If you want them to be reliable, you have to leave them 100% COMPLETELY stock
2. They are more temperamental then the Coyote- there are rules you need to follow (limit RPMs until oil temperature reaches certain level, checking oil constantly exc
3. If 90-100% of your driving is at the track at close to redline.....the VooDoo wont last as long as the Coyote

Lots of YouTube videos with people trying to get clicks- only to find out later the car was tuned on E85 or something .....

Im at 15K miles on mine- driven aggressively on the street- no oil burning....so far no issues- has been 100% reliable- over the last year at least on the forums, its rare to see anyone have an engine failure ....

Lots of people love to trash talk- I mean we see the same thing here on the S650 with people calling it a sales failure, slower, 500 pounds heavier then the S650, low dyno numbers, exc.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

I've updated the test drive list to be a lot more concise than it was originally. The next question to address is...should I put my S650 GT impressions in that first post as well (I've test driven one with the Performance Pack and three without it but with different square tire/wheel sizes)?

 

[Zig]

I've updated the test drive list to be a lot more concise than it was originally. The next question to address is...should I put my S650 GT impressions in that first post as well (I've test driven one with the Performance Pack and three without it but with different square tire/wheel sizes)?

Imo, yes, all in one place makes it easier to find. Or add a link to the latest ‘information’. As in first post mentions it and the mention becomes a link and the link goes to the post with the details.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Now for contrast, here are my quick impressions for various S650 GTs I've test driven. (A summary of these is available in the original post.)

(All test drives so far were done with the 10-speed automatic.)
Base Performance Pack: First hands-on experience with the S650. The main things that stuck out to me were the lighter steering weight and the sound of dirt and asphalt underneath the car. The latter was notably louder than what I thought it would be...I didn't remember the S550 Performance Pack having that much outside sound pick up inside, with or without Magneride. However, I did find that despite the lighter steering weight, the S650 had better communication between the road and my steering inputs. I think between all the GTs I've tested, the Performance Pack handles the best, but for me the extra sound underneath me would be enough not to get it.

Premium w/optional 20" wheels: Immediately I found that noise underneath the car was more quiet than the Performance Pack. As for the ride, it felt more unsettled whenever hitting bumps or uneven surfaces on the road. In the end, I wouldn't have picked this option since I don't like the wheel design in the first place, but it was a worthwhile experience to get a baseline for how the non-Performance Pack cars feel.

Base w/standard 18" wheels: Okay, this is where I started getting impressed with what the GT had to offer me personally. Smooth ride, smooth throttle response in both Normal and Sport+ mode. The base brakes are interesting as the fronts are Brembos, and they seem a pinch more grabby than the non Performance Pack S550s. Not a dealbreaker, but something to be mindful of if someone likes doing "chauffeur stops", or stopping so smoothly it's practically imperceivable.

Premium w/standard 19" wheels: Honestly, I couldn't tell the difference between this model and the base model's ride quality or throttle response. I know they changed the all-seasons from Pirelli to Continental, but I also think there's been some additional damping done in the suspension. The ride is notably less stiff than my base EcoBoost (S550), that's for sure. I think after this particular test drive, I'd be going with either the base model with or without the optional 19" polished aluminum rims, or the Premium model with those optional 19" rims or a California Special.

California Special Vert: There's slightly/moderately less rear visibility than the coupe and it handled slightly better than the coupe I test drove with 20" wheels. Probably the most noteworthy thing from this test drive was that the 3.15 gearing felt slightly choppy when changing gears at low/city speeds. But this might simply be a combination of being a new vehicle and me not regularly accelerating to 2000 RPM from standstill (a habit carried over from my EcoBoost, I'll admit). Interesting experience, but personally I'll stick with the fastback. (As a sidenote, I just want to say that I absolutely love the California Special's front grille. I know it has nothing to do with the test drive, but I wonder if they'd sell this grille (not necessarily California Special branded, but identical otherwise) as a standalone item. Add an optional mountable pony badge in the center and it'd make an instantly unique look in my opinion.)

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

I finally got to test drive a Camaro, of which impressions are updated in the first post.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Today I test drove a GT Premium Performance Pack with Magneride. The driving experience was good, a bit stiffer on bumps than non-PP GTs (yes, even with MR, but admittedly some of the roads here are in quite rough condition), yet more than acceptable for what the Perfomance Pack is designed to do. It's still better in my mind than the 20" wheel setup, and somehow less noisy than the base Performance Pack (as far as road and wind noise is concerned). This model lacked the active exhaust, but here it's less noisy than the '18-23 non-active exhaust GTs.

However, the real reason I test drove this particular GT was to test the B&O sound system on the highway (along with some city driving too). It REALLY isn't worth it. Playing with the car's system equalizer made it sound inconsistent between my playlist (bass/mid/treble and volume were all off, and I don't want to have to readjust the b/m/t for each track all the time), something that my EcoBoost's factory 9-speaker system didn't and doesn't have a problem with. And as I've mentioned elsewhere, the sound setup is still largely front-based so it doesn't remotely come across as a quality surround sound experience in the car. I'm not a hardcore audiophile by any means, but I'm sure they would likely do a better job than what this B&O system brings to the table.

TLDR: Stick with the 6- or 9-speaker setup if given a choice between those and the B&O.

And with that I believe I've test driven all the wheel/tire setups possible on a GT, give or take. I also have an idea of what I want from a GT. Surprisingly though, I find myself cooling off on it after today. Not because the GT's bad or anything like that. If anything, I think I have full confidence now with waiting for the right time to get one. It may happen next year, it may not, but now I can say I'm absolutely not in a rush at all. If I don't get a GT, I still have my trusty EcoBoost for the long haul. (...or I can just get a fully loaded Prius and drive it the way it was never intended to be.)

(Still waiting on the '25-26 colors...)

 

[Rocket Man]

I think you should get the Prius. If the Mustang just doesn't speak to you, get something that does. For me, I don't care if it has a sound system or not, I'm not buying a car like this for the stereo. The music I care about comes out the rear of the car.

 

[10basscat]

I agree with Rocket Man- just get the Prius! I don’t think you’ll find one GT owner on these forums who was torn between a Mustang GT and a Prius except you! Clearly you like /want a GT but it just doesn’t work for you for a variety of reasons so all you do is try to find reasons why the GT isn’t for you. For those of us that bought it it’s perfect-it’s just not for you and that’s ok!

edit: if there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s don’t buy a car to make it the car you want when you could’ve just bought the car you wanted to begin with…

 

[Radiant]

Today I test drove a GT Premium Performance Pack with Magneride. The driving experience was good, a bit stiffer on bumps than non-PP GTs (yes, even with MR, but admittedly some of the roads here are in quite rough condition), yet more than acceptable for what the Perfomance Pack is designed to do.

I'm glad you got to try it out! Yes, it basically "mellows" the Performance Pack. You've now driven the most refined version of what is otherwise an aggressive machine.

Surprisingly though, I find myself cooling off on it after today.

Not surprised, you're starting to think about the car in real-world terms versus a spec sheet. A lot of the things you've mentioned interest in like suspension tuning or trying out enthusiast driving are things you can do in your current car.

 

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[BoostRabbitGT]

I think you should get the Prius. If the Mustang just doesn't speak to you, get something that does. For me, I don't care if it has a sound system or not, I'm not buying a car like this for the stereo. The music I care about comes out the rear of the car.

The GT still speaks (sings, even) to me, moreso with the active exhaust than the standard one. "Cooled off" was probably the wrong term to use. I most likely meant "calmed down" in the sense that I now know exactly how I'd spec it (again, barring any new/returning colors in the future). As I've said before the GT is my goal, but I'm also open to more practical vehicles like the Prius (which I also know exactly how I'd spec it).

I agree with Rocket Man- just get the Prius! I don’t think you’ll find one GT owner on these forums who was torn between a Mustang GT and a Prius except you! Clearly you like /want a GT but it just doesn’t work for you for a variety of reasons so all you do is try to find reasons why the GT isn’t for you. For those of us that bought it it’s perfect-it’s just not for you and that’s ok!

edit: if there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s don’t buy a car to make it the car you want when you could’ve just bought the car you wanted to begin with…

Hey, there's a first for everything! I don't know, am I the only one who tries to test drive vehicles with a completely blank/neutral mindset prior to doing it (doing my research and due diligence beforehand)? I test drove multiple GTs to get a feel for the different options available. As examples, ride quality could've changed noticeably between the 18"/19"/20"/PP tires/wheels, and acceleration/braking might have felt different between the gear ratios and brake packages available. It's very likely I'm being overanalytical, but I need hands-on experience with cars to understand what I'm getting, even if the differences are ultimately subtle.

I'm glad you got to try it out! Yes, it basically "mellows" the Performance Pack. You've now driven the most refined version of what is otherwise an aggressive machine.

Not surprised, you're starting to think about the car in real-world terms versus a spec sheet. A lot of the things you've mentioned interest in like suspension tuning or trying out enthusiast driving are things you can do in your current car.

Yeah, the Performance Pack GT simply isn't for me, not as a potential daily driver. A standard GT or GT Premium with the Active Exhaust would be more than enough in my book.

As for modding the GT, I've decided that I'll stick to strictly cosmetic/visual exterior stuff. And so far that's only if I get the California Special in Oxford White (and I'm still undecided if I'd even do that).

Can you spot the differences?

 

[Karguy]

Today I test drove a GT Premium Performance Pack with Magneride. The driving experience was good, a bit stiffer on bumps than non-PP GTs (yes, even with MR, but admittedly some of the roads here are in quite rough condition), yet more than acceptable for what the Perfomance Pack is designed to do. It's still better in my mind than the 20" wheel setup, and somehow less noisy than the base Performance Pack (as far as road and wind noise is concerned). This model lacked the active exhaust, but here it's less noisy than the '18-23 non-active exhaust GTs.

However, the real reason I test drove this particular GT was to test the B&O sound system on the highway (along with some city driving too). It REALLY isn't worth it. Playing with the car's system equalizer made it sound inconsistent between my playlist (bass/mid/treble and volume were all off, and I don't want to have to readjust the b/m/t for each track all the time), something that my EcoBoost's factory 9-speaker system didn't and doesn't have a problem with. And as I've mentioned elsewhere, the sound setup is still largely front-based so it doesn't remotely come across as a quality surround sound experience in the car. I'm not a hardcore audiophile by any means, but I'm sure they would likely do a better job than what this B&O system brings to the table.

TLDR: Stick with the 6- or 9-speaker setup if given a choice between those and the B&O.

And with that I believe I've test driven all the wheel/tire setups possible on a GT, give or take. I also have an idea of what I want from a GT. Surprisingly though, I find myself cooling off on it after today. Not because the GT's bad or anything like that. If anything, I think I have full confidence now with waiting for the right time to get one. It may happen next year, it may not, but now I can say I'm absolutely not in a rush at all. If I don't get a GT, I still have my trusty EcoBoost for the long haul. (...or I can just get a fully loaded Prius and drive it the way it was never intended to be.)

(Still waiting on the '25-26 colors...)

You crack me up…Obviously you are not a V8 guy otherwise you would not worry about the sound system , consider a Prius that comes auto only or would drive a Mustang with a 4 cylinder that as fake as a Camaro V6 or Challenger with a Pentastar… Its funny to me how some people would even cross shop cars like a Prius or a 5.0 GT…But obviously the GT did not yank your chain ! Good luck on finding what makes you happy as we are all in search of the perfect vehicle

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