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[NegativeMultiplier]

The base mustang has to start in the low $30Ks so it's a bit restricted.

This point makes me think that there is an approaching separation of interest that needs to be done by Ford.

It may make sense here to take the Mustang further up-market and invest more money into it, which will inflate prices even further but hopefully reach a justification point. Meanwhile something less expensive meeting the price point you just mentioned could be introduced, evolving the D2C platform while keeping overall prices low. Maybe if the Ecoboost and the GT split into different directions? But then how would that affect the overall fuel economy across the entire model?

I can see now why there were murmurs of Mustang becoming its own brand. That would make it easier to solve this problem, potentially easing the struggle of platform - since this could potentially open it up to multiple platforms - while also shifting the global fuel economy from a single model across multiple. I think this car might be limited by the laws of both physics and the NHTSA...

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[9secondko]

This point makes me think that there is an approaching separation of interest that needs to be done by Ford.

It may make sense here to take the Mustang further up-market and invest more money into it, which will inflate prices even further but hopefully reach a justification point. Meanwhile something less expensive meeting the price point you just mentioned could be introduced, evolving the D2C platform while keeping overall prices low. Maybe if the Ecoboost and the GT split into different directions? But then how would that affect the overall fuel economy across the entire model?

I can see now why there were murmurs of Mustang becoming its own brand. That would make it easier to solve this problem, potentially easing the struggle of platform - since this could potentially open it up to multiple platforms - while also shifting the global fuel economy from a single model across multiple. I think this car might be limited by the laws of both physics and the NHTSA...

They can’t split the tiers.

Better to consolidate as much as possible to benefit from economy of scale.

Splitting ecoboost from the higher performance tiers would hurt the expense pretty badly.

I’d advocate for less models. A base, a GT which is more like a gt350, and a Cobra, which would be the killer twin turbo wild horse.

Design doesn’t have to be much different between them, nor do features. Performance is the differentiator - along with some options - color, wheel/tires, grille inserts, and interior appointments. Much can be done very cheaply in software using the screens.

It would be a lot easier than many think for Ford to create a truly amazing next gen mustang while keeping costs down.

Making the mustang a brand solves nothing. It will still be a bunch of different vehicles with more expense to develop. Slapping a mustang sticker doesn’t change any of the development costs and efforts.

A mustang brand is not the way. Mustang is a model of ford. It’s not Lincoln or mercury.

It’s funny how all the overthinking goes into “saving” the mustang.

The reality is that all ford needs to do is make a great mustang and sell it for a great value.

Boom. Done.

Man. we need some common sense guys back in the boardroom.

 

[robvas]

Let's say they decide to invest a billion dollars or whatever into a new platform

What are they going to share the new Mustang platform with?

The Camaro was built alongside the Cadillac sedans (which sell half of what the Camaro did, but are much more expensive vehicles). Other Cadillac models were made there over the years.

Also, the rumor of a four door Mustang doesn't seem to fit into the idea of a smaller, lighter coupe.

 

[9secondko]

Let's say they decide to invest a billion dollars or whatever into a new platform

What are they going to share the new Mustang platform with?

The Camaro was built alongside the Cadillac sedans (which sell half of what the Camaro did, but are much more expensive vehicles). Other Cadillac models were made there over the years.

Also, the rumor of a four door Mustang doesn't seem to fit into the idea of a smaller, lighter coupe.

Let’s see… a new 4 door high performance sedan ? An off-road car? (See ideas that Ford wanted to do with mustang)

Ford has already been talking about wanting to add new cars to the lineup.

To use such an old platform would be starting out on the wrong foot, dragging all the metrics down.

Ford made a decision to go all-suv. But it didn’t do what they thought. So next they thought to call everything mustang. Dumb. Then they thought add more different kinds of cars and call them mustang too. Dumb.

So better to make a new mustang platform and then share extensible versions of it with the others. Boom, a great foundation for ford’s new cars - without adding the confusion of calling them all “mustang.” Lets not forget that the Camaro alpha was also used in 4 door coupes.

Everybody literally wins.

 

[robvas]

I don't think anyone wants an "off road car"

If there is anything for isn't lacking it's Raptor versions of vehicles

 

[MaddNomad]

I don't think anyone wants an "off road car"

If there is anything for isn't lacking it's Raptor versions of vehicles

Especially since they’re considering making a production version of that Dakar T1.

 

[9secondko]

I don't think anyone wants an "off road car"

If there is anything for isn't lacking it's Raptor versions of vehicles

I agree and have posted that before. But that’s what ford was putting out there to test the market via social media @lesks.”

The point is that ford is looking to do more cars. I imagine that will pick up quite a bit in a few years.

Need a new CAR platform to do it right.

 

[9secondko]

Especially since they’re considering making a production version of that Dakar T1.

I don’t care if they make that abomination or not.
Just so long as they don’t make the danger thing “mustang” for the love of all that is holy.

 

[MaddNomad]

I don’t care if they make that abomination or not.
Just so long as they don’t make the danger thing “mustang” for the love of all that is holy.

Well the fact that they’re thinking about creating it means 2 things.

@robvas is right that they have many Raptor models and another possibly on the way already. The Mustang Raptor they’ve been rumored to have would be 5 models (interesting how Raptor is a “brand” with possibly 5 distinct models )

and that Ford IS capable of creating new platforms/nameplates if they’re seriously considering it, so all that riff raff about needing a legendary name for marketing is bs.

 

[Katastrophe]

I still think the car is cool, something special about a Mustang getting a power up and competing with the big boys.

But sometimes I remember the Ford GT and even the 2004 Shelby Cobra concept they were gonna make before the economy got crazy. They were always positioned as that high level Vette and European fighters.

Maybe that’s why they always used those cars instead of throwing the Stang in the arena. When the 2nd gen Ford GT was developed they originally wanted to use the Mustang but scrapped it. I mean GTD is Farley’s brainchild.

Maaan, I LOVE the original Daytona coupe (and the numerous kit car recreations of it) and that 2005 Shelby GR-1 was absolutely KILLER.

 

[MaddNomad]

Maaan, I LOVE the original Daytona coupe (and the numerous kit car recreations of it) and that 2005 Shelby GR-1 was absolutely KILLER.

Bro I know it would never happen obviously but I wish those cars just came out as Vette/911 fighters. Those concepts were awesome. Crazy to think the rode on a Ford GT platform!

 

[9secondko]

Well the fact that they’re thinking about creating it means 2 things.

@robvas is right that they have many Raptor models and another possibly on the way already. The Mustang Raptor they’ve been rumored to have would be 5 models (interesting how Raptor is a “brand” with possibly 5 distinct models )

and that Ford IS capable of creating new platforms/nameplates if they’re seriously considering it, so all that riff raff about needing a legendary name for marketing is bs.

Raptor isn’t a brand though. It’s a model tier. Like “GT”

Raptor is like the old way when ford would have a car and slap “svt” on it to signify it was a high performance tier. I. E. Focus svt.

So not a brand such as mustang, etc. but a model sub brand referencing the trim. I. E. F150 raptor. Bronco raptor.

 

[Q6543]

Y’all are in outer space… come back down to earth..

The whole point of the S650 being a reskin is to bridge the gap until the full transition to E.V.
Be it 2032 or they have to drag it out to 2035/36

The next NEW chassis for a mustang that you're going to get is built around a battery…

 

[MaddNomad]

Raptor isn’t a brand though. It’s a model tier. Like “GT”

Raptor is like the old way when ford would have a car and slap “svt” on it to signify it was a high performance tier. I. E. Focus svt.

So not a brand such as mustang, etc. but a model sub brand referencing the trim. I. E. F150 raptor. Bronco raptor.

No I 100% agree with you. I’m just using the logic I’ve seen some throw around.

You’re right about a sub brand signifying a performance tier…. And that works. Not the other thing some think of.

 

[9secondko]

Y’all are in outer space… come back down to earth..

The whole point of the S650 being a reskin is to bridge the gap until the full transition to E.V.
Be it 2032 or they have to drag it out to 2035/36

The next NEW chassis for a mustang that you're going to get is built around a battery…

Lol. That’s so 2022.

Keep up.

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