Ford Mustang Dark Horse vs. Dodge Charger Daytona EV

[Stonehauler]

Do rev limiters reduce performance or prevent destruction? Apple to apples would compare like limits. Only capable of spinning to 6500 rpm would raise the question how does the ev do when limited to the same? But different animal different capabilities same course?

.....facepalm. Sorry, either you have no idea with respect to motors, or you are trolling. I will assume the former

Rev limiters prevent destruction of the various things involved.

Reciprocating engines (aka, piston type engines) take linear motion, and translate it into rotational motion. AKA, the piston moves up and down in the cylinder in the four-stroke pattern. Intake, compression, ignition/combustion/power, exhaust. that motion drives, and is driven by the crankshaft via the connecting rods. If that engine spins too fast, the forces on the connecting rod may cause it to shear, it may cause valve trains to float, resulting in valve contact with the piston and subsequent damage resulting from that contact. This means that large displacement engines must utilize expensive lightweight/high strength materials to allow for higher RPM limits.
In addition, the heat of the engine itself can result in significant heating of various elements like pistons. This means that if you have not correctly sized your pistons for the application you are using it for, you might end up seizing your motor. For instance, I can run my boat on WOT a heck of a lot longer than I can keep my car at WOT Again, RPM limits help.

Compare that with a Wankel (rotary) engine which can spin up to 10,000 RPM as it does not have all that mass that is just being pushed and pulled in a straight line. The main limiter on a Wankel is the speed of combustion. AKA, making sure you have enough time to inject, combust, and exhaust the system on each complete cycle.

Contrast that to an electric motor which relies on a spinning rotor that can be built VERY strong. The biggest limitations on motor speed will be the bearings and the internal forces on the rotor from being spun that fast.

So, "limiting the motor speed to 6,500 RPM" is just a really ignorant statement. It would be like saying "since an EV transmission only has one forward gear ratio, I am going to limit my 10s auto to 1st gear.

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[Stonehauler]

Yup, I’m not really sure who the charger is for. If you’re in the EV market there are better EVs. If you’re in the performance car market there are better performance cars.

if you want a good looking car it definitely ain’t winning any beauty contests

And the fake revving….not for me lol. The Taycan solved the whole EV sound problem the best to me. When my cousin had one I rode with him once and it sounded kind of cool. Still not for me but better than the charger lol

completely agree. the fake sound is HORRIBLE just embrace the sound of an EV is that's what you drive.

 

[Zig]

.....facepalm. Sorry, either you have no idea with respect to motors, or you are trolling. I will assume the former

Rev limiters prevent destruction of the various things involved.

Reciprocating engines (aka, piston type engines) take linear motion, and translate it into rotational motion. AKA, the piston moves up and down in the cylinder in the four-stroke pattern. Intake, compression, ignition/combustion/power, exhaust. that motion drives, and is driven by the crankshaft via the connecting rods. If that engine spins too fast, the forces on the connecting rod may cause it to shear, it may cause valve trains to float, resulting in valve contact with the piston and subsequent damage resulting from that contact. This means that large displacement engines must utilize expensive lightweight/high strength materials to allow for higher RPM limits.
In addition, the heat of the engine itself can result in significant heating of various elements like pistons. This means that if you have not correctly sized your pistons for the application you are using it for, you might end up seizing your motor. For instance, I can run my boat on WOT a heck of a lot longer than I can keep my car at WOT Again, RPM limits help.

Compare that with a Wankel (rotary) engine which can spin up to 10,000 RPM as it does not have all that mass that is just being pushed and pulled in a straight line. The main limiter on a Wankel is the speed of combustion. AKA, making sure you have enough time to inject, combust, and exhaust the system on each complete cycle.

Contrast that to an electric motor which relies on a spinning rotor that can be built VERY strong. The biggest limitations on motor speed will be the bearings and the internal forces on the rotor from being spun that fast.

So, "limiting the motor speed to 6,500 RPM" is just a really ignorant statement. It would be like saying "since my transmission only has one forward gear ratio, I am going to limit my 10s auto to 1st gear.

Petlier Seeback combustion and magnetism. How are defining and measuring peformance?

 

[Zig]

So, "limiting the motor speed to 6,500 RPM" is just a really ignorant statement. It would be like saying "since an EV transmission only has one forward gear ratio, I am going to limit my 10s auto to 1st gear.

Ain’t my fault they prefer modulation over multiplication

 

[LouG]

Do rev limiters reduce performance or prevent destruction? Apple to apples would compare like limits. Only capable of spinning to 6500 rpm would raise the question how does the ev do when limited to the same? But different animal different capabilities same course?

I doubt that's relevant. Different technologies have different characteristics, hobbling one to favour another doesn't make much sense.
I also think rev limiters have severely damaged the engine rebuilding industry. Now you have to completly screw up a manual downshift to even valve bounce an engine.

 

[Zig]

I doubt that's relevant. Different technologies have different characteristics, hobbling one to favour another doesn't make much sense.
I also think rev limiters have severely damaged the engine rebuilding industry. Now you have to completly screw up a manual downshift to even valve bounce an engine.

Which is why i hinted apples and oranges. Although the fall off and or increase in performance between runs, ie consistency hasn’t been revealed.

 

[robvas]

Model 3 Performance beats the Daytona EV (as expected)

 

[Zig]

Model 3 Performance beats the Daytona EV (as expected)

The mustang was so fast i didn’t even see it.

why for the how come by time the turn around came along they’re in the same shot, that launch got lost on the way to slow?

 

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[BoostRabbitGT]

I finally got a good look of the new Charger in person. Maybe it was the dark blue color, but I thought it looked fine, if big. I think I'll stick with my dream of owning a GT someday though.

 

[Stonehauler]

It's definitely on the larger side...but the interior doesn't reflect that IMO. look at how usable the truck of the vehicle is at the rear for instance. Even though the Mustang has a small opening into the truck, it's still a usable truck. If you can fit it through the opening, it will probably fit. With the Charger, you can get a lot of stuff in there, but the hatch probably won't close when you are done loading it.

I will say the interior of the Charger is pretty nice for a big guy like me, but then, the Mustang also has a lot of room for the front seat folks...and I don't sit in the rear seats in my own car...ok, unless I've had shoulder surgery on my right shoulder...

Having sat and driven the Charger, a Mustang GT, and coming from driving a 550i for 12 years, which is also a big heavy car...I will say the Charger feels a HECK of a lot heavier and...lumbering might be a good way to say it. It's quick on the straights, but don't expect it to be nimble. My 5 is a joy to drive on a twisting, winding road that runs near the river, and I suspect the Mustang would be similar, but I doubt I would have the same level of fun driving the Charger on that same road.

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