Ford is cutting costs on the 2025+ Mustang

[myvaporblue5.0pony]

Works good with my Samsung S23.

I have a Samsung S22 Ultra & it overheats & charges slowly. I have quit using the charger cause it is useless. I use the usb port.

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[gtstang462002]

I have a Samsung S22 Ultra & it overheats & charges slowly. I have quit using the charger cause it is useless. I use the usb port.

I have the Fold 6. Got stupid hot while charging on that built in pad, same in my wife's Mach E. We just changed our cases to thinner cases and the problem seems to be resolved.

 

[IceGamer]

No, I just know how the business and product development world works, at least the basics .

No, you most certainly don't otherwise you would know that ever increasing prices on a product that cannot be justified will end in the end of the product. It’s a false narrative that “I don’t sell as many units as I used to – I have to raise the price of what’s left in order to keep making the same amount of money”.

One of my local shooting ranges did just that. We used to get there because the people were nice and prices were decent. Not cheap but acceptable. Then some people went into retirement, prices got raised and at the end of the day the overall experience was just not there anymore. Yes, the shooting range was still close by but the service/product wasn’t good anymore and they charged more for less. Many decided to go somewhere else as my father and I did and only came back for competitions. That was like 6-7 years ago and now the range will close down due to lack of customers. They kept raising prices throughout the years without offering anything that was worth it and being the only range around a one hour drive was their only selling argument.

Ford would be well advised to either deliver something truly knew (so far we only got a S550.2 with a new interior) or keep prices in check what they’re obviously refuse to do. The US has different prices but in Europe the car is way too expensive for what you get. The V8 is the only selling point of the Mustang and it is almost reduced to its engine noise because the performance, build quality and overall bang for buck ratio is pretty bad. Maybe not compared to brand new cars but most people buy their cars used and the Mustang can’t win a trophy there either…

 

[DeluxeStang]

No, you most certainly don't otherwise you would know that ever increasing prices on a product that cannot be justified will end in the end of the product. It’s a false narrative that “I don’t sell as many units as I used to – I have to raise the price of what’s left in order to keep making the same amount of money”.

One of my local shooting ranges did just that. We used to get there because the people were nice and prices were decent. Not cheap but acceptable. Then some people went into retirement, prices got raised and at the end of the day the overall experience was just not there anymore. Yes, the shooting range was still close by but the service/product wasn’t good anymore and they charged more for less. Many decided to go somewhere else as my father and I did and only came back for competitions. That was like 6-7 years ago and now the range will close down due to lack of customers. They kept raising prices throughout the years without offering anything that was worth it and being the only range around a one hour drive was their only selling argument.

Ford would be well advised to either deliver something truly knew (so far we only got a S550.2 with a new interior) or keep prices in check what they’re obviously refuse to do. The US has different prices but in Europe the car is way too expensive for what you get. The V8 is the only selling point of the Mustang and it is almost reduced to its engine noise because the performance, build quality and overall bang for buck ratio is pretty bad. Maybe not compared to brand new cars but most people buy their cars used and the Mustang can’t win a trophy there either…

So what do you propose? I'm not saying raise the price indefinitely, just enough to make making mustangs profitable even at lower sales volumes. If the development costs for a product remain relatively fixed, but my sales volume is cut in half, I have to charge twice as much to generate as much revenue.

It's a tricky problem, you raise the price, it starts to serve as a barrier for entry for more and more consumers, and you sell fewer cars as a result. So you have to raise the price even more to compensate, and the cycle just gets more and more vicious. But what can Ford do, I mean realistically? The days of the 30 grand 5.0 aren't coming back sadly. So the next best option is to try ones best to at least level off mustang prices, try to keep them where they are without massive year to year increases, while relying more heavily on programs like the GTD to boost profits.

 

[gtstang462002]

So what do you propose? I'm not saying raise the price indefinitely, just enough to make making mustangs profitable even at lower sales volumes. If the development costs for a product remain relatively fixed, but my sales volume is cut in half, I have to charge twice as much to generate as much revenue.

It's a tricky problem, you raise the price, it starts to serve as a barrier for entry for more and more consumers, and you sell fewer cars as a result. So you have to raise the price even more to compensate, and the cycle just gets more and more vicious. But what can Ford do, I mean realistically? The days of the 30 grand 5.0 aren't coming back sadly. So the next best option is to try ones best to at least level off mustang prices, try to keep them where they are without massive year to year increases, while relying more heavily on programs like the GTD to boost profits.

They can make their money in volume as they priced with the Maverick. Lower profit per unit. Example: if selling 3 units with $2k in profit vs one unit with$5 in profit in the same time frame they made more money on the 3 units and gained market share along the way. Not counting future parts and accessorie sales.

I will add to this that I bought my '24 Dark horse at sticker. I almost walked away from it until I "built" the same car as a '25 and it was another 6k higher for the same spec car.

 

[smurfslayer]

Ford would be well advised to either deliver something truly knew (so far we only got a S550.2 with a new interior) or keep prices in check what they’re obviously refuse to do. The US has different prices but in Europe the car is way too expensive for what you get. The V8 is the only selling point of the Mustang and it is almost reduced to its engine noise because the performance, build quality and overall bang for buck ratio is pretty bad.

We don’t have much control over how much the cost is in European countries, but, as you likely well know by now the current batch of - I’ll call them ‘constitutional, socialist democracies’ ; essentially the non dictatorships are starting to run out of other people’s money. I’d tend to agree that some of the European countries Mustang costs are quite high. But overall, how much has the Mustang gone up in cost as compared to the average person’s salary through the years?
I wouldn’t call even the Dark Horse a ‘rich man’s car’ by any stretch, but then again if I had to shell out 6 figures for it, I’d be disappointed in the bang for the buck too.

People on internet fora and social media love to complain. Loudly. But you rarely see someone post up “I drove my Mustang today and nothing bad happened”.
Maybe that happens more on some older British marque forums, courtesy of ‘the prince of darkness’ ;-)

 

[jimbo67]

Had high hopes for this vehicle but now I'm a concerned consumer

Its a nice vehicle, is it light years ahead of the s550 no. Do we have other options as car guys, depends. Boils down to money. I'm older, you young guys are smarter than myself. When you can't turn wrenches yourself. You need money. Or depend on a dealer to help, good luck. They can't. We had a q4 towed in today. I consider mild damage, headlight, front cover, possibly a left fender, and obviously some hidden damage. 14000 miles. Was totaled. The headlight alone was 4000.00. Part prices are ridiculous. Every new car is the same, the Coyote is a great motor,and dependable. Enjoy it while it lasts. I see a trend in the automotive industry, for me it sucks. The guy, 39 years in struggle bus on my end. Enjoy the Mustang bro don't be concerned. I'm sure there is more people happy with their purchase than what you see on the internet and or forums.

 

[IceGamer]

So what do you propose? I'm not saying raise the price indefinitely, just enough to make making mustangs profitable even at lower sales volumes. If the development costs for a product remain relatively fixed, but my sales volume is cut in half, I have to charge twice as much to generate as much revenue.

It's a tricky problem, you raise the price, it starts to serve as a barrier for entry for more and more consumers, and you sell fewer cars as a result. So you have to raise the price even more to compensate, and the cycle just gets more and more vicious. But what can Ford do, I mean realistically? The days of the 30 grand 5.0 aren't coming back sadly. So the next best option is to try ones best to at least level off mustang prices, try to keep them where they are without massive year to year increases, while relying more heavily on programs like the GTD to boost profits.

Honestly, in my perspective the only way out is to deliver a better product. Why is/was the C8 so sought after? It was more expensive, marked up left and right but there were still enough people waiting for a C8 even after the horrendous price increases… With the current S650 we got a refreshed S550 and in Europe an even worse car regarding performance… Sales are down because the S650 offers nothing new to the customer except some tech features that are not driving related but cost a shit tone of money. Does that make it a bad car? No, absolutely not but if one can get much better cars for roughly the same money customers will pass on the inferior product. I don’t necessarily think that prices in the US are too crazy but they are in Europe. I can get a BMW M3 for less than +$5K and even the M2 will beat the Mustang in most departments. The M340i is a bargain compared to the GT with roughly the same power in most scenarios. All the BMWs offer superior build quality and performance and the only thing going for the Mustang is its engine.
That leaves Ford with two options from my perspective:

• They keep on doing what they’re doing, minimal investments into a dying product, keep milking the former goat machine for a couple more years and call it a day in roughly 10-15 years
• or
• Built something that is sought after. It’s not like Ford doesn’t have what it takes to do so… How about a (optional) AWD six or seven liter+ Ford Mustang GT with roughly 550 or 600hp… maybe add a hybrid ecoboost with some 400-450hp and price it reasonably. It doesn’t have to be cheap or just slightly above the current pricing if the overall product is worth it. However, I don’t think that any company should get away with faulty products (looking at you Tesla) or serious issues (how many recalls did we see so far?). There is room for imperfections but that room is getting ever tighter the higher the car is priced.

 

[IFFV68]

Given the product shrinkage over the last several years where manufacturers sell you a smaller product for the same price, ie my favorite brand of OJ used to have 64oz, it is now, 52 and 50cents more.

Ford should follow suit and shrink the Stang, and lighten her by 300lbs.

Let’s go all Aluminum Body & Delete the Back Seat?
./

 

[LoneRanger57]

Works perfectly with my Samsung S24 Ultra.

The right screen will answer any and all questions Owners Manual questions you can possibly come up with (???). Plus you get the honor of spending $50 for an Owners Manual hard copy.

Why the PDF is free

 

[IFFV68]

Yep. I bought an owners manual ($50?). And damn sure never saw a pouch. It's the little things that are most noticeable.

I also purchased an Owners Manual.
The best Forty some dollars I have ever spent.
I don’t think I have a Pouch??
Where are they suppose to be?

 

[20ducks]

I must be smokin' the wrong stuff:
Who in their right mind thinks that spending $50 for an Owners Manual is a good thing? Flippin' through the manual Is a time honored tradition. Looking through a pdf file is also rediculous. How about printing it out, you say. Hmmmm, how many pages is it? 300? 400? or more? Yeah, print that out and start reading. Or...do what my salesman told me to do: bring it up on the car screen, oh yesssss, very 2025ish. IMO, Ford cheapened out on these. period.
I am out of this conversation,

 

[LoneRanger57]

546 pages, print it out if you want............I'll stick with free

 

[Radiant]

I wouldn't worry about losing the wireless charging pad... they suck. Though removing features, but increasing prices is a dick move.

I love my wireless charger. I was expecting it to be terrible, but it works great with the Pixel 9 Pro. Of course my car only existed in 2024 year, all future Magneride Ecoboosts are going to be through RTR.

 

[IFFV68]

I can't speak for others, but when I use the wireless charging pad, my iPhone gets to hot to handle! I'd believe that is closer to reality than cost cutting. Imagine leaving your smartphone laying there while you're filling the tank.... Then blooie fire and smoke.

I'm still mad I didn't get the owners manual the size of a bible.

Can't believe they did away with it

Every thing is on line.
I’m older and prefer the Hard Copy even if it cost me Forty Five Dollars.
I don’t care to look up the Mustang Manual on the internet or whatever you call it?

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