Dark Horse SC in Richmond VA at Richmond Ford West $176,000 ($71k in options)

[smurfslayer]

Prices of the (top model) GT500/DHSC vs the base GT and the 'special' model, and how much of an increase it is to go to the price of the top model

I think the older you are, the more shocked and put off by the '26 top model price vs. what we've seen over our respective histories.
I remember graduating high school and it was possible for a graduate to land a trade job and afford a Mustang GT/LX that could hit 13's in the quarter mile with mods you could actually afford.

The issue for us is that the cost of the top of the line Mustangs have outpaced the average salaries of those who have been brand loyal and owned several over the years.

The younger buyers are just pretty much fúcked. I mean, I suppose a stripper GT is achievable on the salary of a young person entering the workforce. With some financial gyrations. Good luck with insurance though.

The shock of a 6 digit base price outweighs any impression about improvements; Sure, the late 80's early 90's Mustang was a great bang for the buck car, but in reality it was a tarted up Ford Fairmont with a V8 and if you ever went to an autocross or road course, you found out. It's not until you push the S650's on track that you begin to understand what you're paying for.
Yup, the Fox body Mustang was cheaper, but it's sort of like comparing the F4U Corsair to the F22 Raptor.

It hurts stroking that check or making those payments, but putting the car through its paces really makes it hurt a lot less.

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[robvas]

Not bad, 12% cumulative over 13 years from 43-55, not bad at all

Also comes out to 3.25% annually…. During a very high inflation period

It shouldn't increase, should it?

It's the price difference between the GT and the GT500 of the same years. Basically how much more you pay to upgrade. Nothing to do with the prices of the previous years.

Used to be 43% higher now it's 55% higher

 

[Q6543]

The corporate pricing analysts and accountants decided it should.

I actually believe in perfect market pricing, this car likely costs to the penny what the target buyers will pay.

i think ADM goes UP from here, I was hoping maybe to catch a used one under 100k in a few years, but they may have a permanent floor of 120k for a very long time

 

[thaext]

Fat chance.. you'll see the dork horse sc's being discounted, mark my words

 

[Ninjak]

They will keep their value. A 20~22 GT500 is still going for 90k+ in the market. Sure, you can find some in the 80k range....but yeah, 80k for a car with mileage and years on it.

Shelby Supersnakes, like them or not, are still selling 95k to 100k+ as well. Those are for 20~22 as well. These vehicles have a lot of tech, and as mentioned earlier, if you push these cars to what they were actually built for, you start to understand what you have.

The same can be said about Broncos. Many ask why pay that much for a Raptor. Well, if you actually use it for the purpose it was built for, you will understand.

 

[thaext]

Everyone knows the Shelby brand.. It has the cobra logo.. What does a dork horse have going for it?

A lotta people also share the same sentiment I have towards the gawd awful iPad screens

Lastly, the reg dork horse's went from having markups to msrp to having 10% off msrp. The Shelby's were totally reasonably priced compared to this abomination

 

[robvas]

Shelby Supersnakes, like them or not, are still selling 95k to 100k+

They dropped 60-70k in value from MSRP? Ouch

The same can be said about Broncos. Many ask why pay that much for a Raptor. Well, if you actually use it for the purpose it was built for, you will understand.

You're talking about the Bronco Raptor that wasn't selling so Ford dropped the price $10k on?

 

[Ninjak]

@robvas
The Raptor received what it was when first released. When the Raptor first went on sale, many dealers marked it up to where it should not have been. So Ford adjusted pricing to receive that money instead. Afterwards, when hype and most pricing went back to what it should have always been, the Raptor was discounted by 10k, which put it squarely back to where it began. Actually, 10k higher. A 2026 Raptor will sell for 90K in most markets. Used Raptors will sell for anywhere from 70k to 80k depending on year, mileage, etc.

I find it odd that you are always trying to call out something and crap on anything that you have most likely never owned or used. I am starting to wonder if you actually own any vehicle or if you are just here to troll. I am starting to believe it is the latter.

 

[robvas]

A 2026 Raptor will sell for 90K in most markets.

And? The closest one to me for sale is MSRP $94,175, it has about $12k in options (metallic paint, painted hard top, leather buckets, appearance package). Base MSRP is $80,990 so once you add in the options and destination that all makes sense. It'd be $104k before the price cuts last year.

Used Raptors will sell for anywhere from 70k to 80k depending on year, mileage, etc.

Lots of low miles 2023's in the 60's

I find it odd that you are always trying to call out something and crap on anything that you have most likely never owned or used. I am starting to wonder if you actually own any vehicle or if you are just here to troll. I am starting to believe it is the latter.

I don't have to own a Bronco Raptor to know about the price cuts and poor sales. They got greedy with them and had to drop the price big time to get them to go.

You seem to live in a different reality than other people.

 

[Ninjak]

And? The closest one to me for sale is MSRP $94,175, it has about $12k in options (metallic paint, painted hard top, leather buckets, appearance package). Base MSRP is $80,990 so once you add in the options and destination, that all makes sense. It'd be $104k before the price cuts.

Again, the price cut happened last year, end of 24 beginning with the 25s. Most option Raptors will sell around 90+ at reasonable dealers. I'm not looking all around the country, I am just taking prices from S. FL.

Lots of low miles 2023's in the 60's

So 31k, 23k for a 23...That's low mileage? The only one near acceptable in your example is the one for 12k, and that is borderline. We obviously have a different definition of low mileage. But this explains a lot.

I don't have to own a Bronco Raptor to know about the price cuts and poor sales. They got greedy with them and had to drop the price big time to get them to go.

Actually, it would help. You try to act like you know about vehicles you do not own. You put your version and opinions on people like they are facts when they are not. The same way you tried to argue about the user making 800HP in his vehicle. Hate to break it to you, but this is not 2011...I make 815 RWHP in my DH. But of course you will say that is impossible or sketchy or something along those lines because YOU believe it cannot be done, but yet you do not own the product to understand how it COULD be done.

You seem to live in a different reality than other people.

Indeed, I do. I took the RED pill a long time ago. It would seem you are living in a reality where your word is law, no one else can have a different opinion that is correct other than yours, and that you know all things because you cut and paste a few internet ads.

You stand on the "non-ownership" of the argument like a badge of honor, looking down on the saps that were foolish enough to buy said product that you do not have. Then you come and use your OPINION as if it were fact when it is not. In truth, it is really sad.

Perhaps if you would stop trying to force your views on people, you could actually see what is being said.

 

[smurfslayer]

The Bronco marketing team at Ford is ... well, thirsty. And they must have pictures of Ford upper management in compromising positions with farm animals because the support behind the vehicle from Ford is like nothing else. There's dozens pages of stuff in the Ford catalog for the Bronc but like 2 pages for an F150 Raptor.

It's ok for what it is, but not for me.
Back to the kvetching about pricing for the DHSC. If you're going to compare it to anything else in the Ford lineup right now, the BRaptor and peasant Raptor are not the most accurate comparisons. The Raptor R is the one to whine about not being able to afford, even years after new. USED RR's are still between 110-125k, which if you think about it is really impressive, as the MSRP was in the 110's. So people are actually recouping a small amount of their ADM.

So given Ford's history with Mustang halo models, I think the DHSC will be doing just fine without the curmudgeons pining for the analog days.

 

[robvas]

So 31k, 23k for a 23...That's low mileage? The only one near acceptable in your example is the one for 12k, and that is borderline. We obviously have a different definition of low mileage. But this explains a lot.

23-30k isn't low mileage for a 2023? That's what, 8k miles a year?

Looking at 2023 Broncos there are a ton of 70 and 60k mileage examples for sale. So 20-30k miles is low mileage. We're not looking for a 4k car that's never been driven.

Actually, it would help. You try to act like you know about vehicles you do not own. You put your version and opinions on people like they are facts when they are not. The same way you tried to argue about the user making 800HP in his vehicle. Hate to break it to you, but this is not 2011...I make 815 RWHP in my DH. But of course you will say that is impossible or sketchy or something along those lines because YOU believe it cannot be done, but yet you do not own the product to understand how it COULD be done.

Any tuner will tell you to expect 100whp less than he's making if you are on strait 93...and he's on a Mustang dyno which normally comes in even lower. Look at the results other people have posted here (and the on the rest of the internet). It's just how engines work. They're all on the same Whipple tune. Same blower. Same pulley. So when someone says they are making 820-something on 93 it raises eyebrows...All dynos read different and some are more different than others.

Perhaps if you would stop trying to force your views on people, you could actually see what is being said.

Nobody's forcing views. Where's that Shelby racing information you're supposed to be getting?

 

[ZXMustang]

The GTD has some other things going for it, but this doesnt. This is a $100k car max and thats pushing it. What a joke.

 

[robvas]

The GTD has some other things going for it, but this doesnt. This is a $100k car max and thats pushing it. What a joke.

To be fair it is a $103k car....with $70k worth of carbon fiber and ceramic brakes added.

The Carbon package GTD is $428,000

 

[BuckeyeBOSS]

To be fair it is a $103k car....with $70k worth of carbon fiber and ceramic brakes added.

The Carbon package GTD is $428,000

Realistically, they start at $108k, if you can find a dealer willing to let one go without ADM right now. To me the base price should have started in the 90ks and I was willing to put down $100k for one. More than that and I'd get something more upscale, even if it costs a lot more. Again, the value just isn't here for me. You can look at my signature and the vehicles I own and have owned, I'm not a hater by any means. It's a cool car, just not as cool to me as Ford seems to think it is.

$175k for one is straight up asinine.

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