the gti weighs 3k lbs give a little. A v8 would offset its whole geometry. The ea888 is very capable and a tune alone will put down 400hp. Show me a 20k car new that can do that without blowing. Comparing the two cars is kinda like saying You like apples over cereal. The mustang seats are pretty lame and always have been. A 60k car and you can't adjust the height of the thigh on a recaro? It's not even lower lol. Mustangs seats since 2015+ and some would argue before that have been the weakest part of the car. Compare the mustang Recaros to the Camaros recaros and you'll see what I mean (lower, heated and cooled, power adjustability, more adjustability)
Not sure what new 20K car you are talking about. I think the Mustang GT and GTI aren't far apart in price and the GTI engine is garbage compared to a 5 liter V8. I didn't bring up the GTI. VW saved money putting a cheap engine in their car and put more money into the interior. If you prefer a better interior over a better engine, suit yourself.
Im not sure what 20k car you were talking about lol
If you don't talk about the entire car, criticizing seats alone doesn't make sense. Of course if you are a manufacturer and you make a car with a really cheap drivetrain, you can afford to put better seats in it at a given price.
fair enough. I actually think the Camaro is the better car overall in that regard. 46k for a SS 1le with a tremec, pdr, handling suspension etc is just superior. Comparing it to a mach1 you have a higher seating position, more cost, less features. Though totally agreed the 5.0 has more character, better sound, the shift feel and clutch is better in the mustang. It's really trade offs. They build these cars these ways for these reasons. Camaro found the short comings of the mustang and made those strong points and made them perhaps not so great in other regards (trunk space etc). But I thought this thread was about seats in cars which is my biggest complaint on the mustang.
Yeah Chevy cheaped out on the engine. DI without port is asking for long term trouble. The SS 1LE isn't a bad package. If the car had better ergonomics and a good engine I would have bought one. Well I didn't really like the clutch or shifter either. Or the visibility - I felt like I was in a cave all the time. Oh and that stupid 1-4 shifter lockout is one of the worst GM issues. So annoying. I hated that in my Z06. I do agree Camaro seats are better than the ones in the Mustang. I think the base MSRP of the 1LE is $49,590 though, not 46.
there's been no long term reliability with the lt1 engine which was the c7 engine as far as carbon build up goes Base msrp is actually 45k. I've bought two of them. The lockout is easily defeated with a $3 device or simply rev the car to 3k rpm when shifting out of first. Hardly an issue tbh. But again different strokes for different folks I think the Camaros clutches are absolute trash though. Which brings me here once again for my fourth mustang. This is primarily a drive sometimes car for me and track purposes. There's really not a better car for 45k that will track like a SS 1le. The mag ride let's it be a cruiser on the way home. Also the ELSD and more adjustability with drive mode tuning. Hopefully the new mustang corrects that though
It's going to depend on the person. The mustang Recaros left me with a right leg in pain for a day cause my legs sit above the thigh support, seats fully lowered etc. shorter legs may not notice it but again if the adjustability was there this wouldn't be a topic of convo.
Makes sense when you put it like that
