Automatic or 6-speed - honest feedback

[Zig]

Btw "double tap" will skip the gear (in both upshift and downshift).

Thanks ‘double tap’ could come in handy with an auto.

now the automatic guys can count gears like us manual guys but need both hands in order to pull it off.

Is the skip a gear or two rev range set by the computer or does it lock it out and only permit if it deems appropriate?

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[npole]

Is the skip a gear or two rev range set by the computer or does it lock it out and only permit if it deems appropriate?

Will let you skip the gears only if they fall within the rpm limits, otherwise it'll blink, I don't remember if it'll leave you to the first available gear that falls in those limits (I think it does), and obviously is more permissive going upward than downscaling: if start in 1st gear, I can go up to 3rd gear (or maybe even 4th) skipping those ones in the middle (they won't engage at all); or if I'm driving in 10th gear, I can go down to the 7th gear by pressing the paddle 3 times rapidly.. and related to the "logic" mentioned above, I think you could press the downshift paddle like many times (exceeding the rpm limits) and it will sit you in the lowest gear available within the rpm limits.

 

[Zig]

Will let you skip the gears only if they fall within the rpm limits, otherwise it'll blink, I don't remember if it'll leave you to the first available gear that falls in those limits (I think it does), and obviously is more permissive going upward than downscaling: if start in 1st gear, I can go up to 3rd gear (or maybe even 4th) skipping those ones in the middle (they won't engage at all); or if I'm driving in 10th gear, I can go down to the 7th gear by pressing the paddle 3 times rapidly.. and related to the "logic" mentioned above, I think you could press the downshift paddle like many times (exceeding the rpm limits) and it will sit you in the lowest gear available within the rpm limits.

Nice, i take back half of the bad things i’ve inferred.

Does skip down with aggressive pedal result in near instantaneous upshift?

 

[npole]

Does skip down with aggressive pedal result in near instantaneous upshift?

I'm not sure I've understood the question... the gear "skipping" is more convenient in downshifting than in upshifting, in those situation when you need to have more performances (ie: overtaking); skipping gears while upshifting may be only needed when you're driving "calm" and you want to maintain the rpm low (coincidentally when you drive in "A" and you start calm, it does 1>3 instead of 1>2>3 in example).

 

[Zig]

I'm not sure I've understood the question... the gear "skipping" is more convenient in downshifting than in upshifting, in those situation when you need to have more performances (ie: overtaking); skipping gears while upshifting may be only needed when you're driving "calm" and you want to maintain the rpm low (coincidentally when you drive in "A" and you start calm, it does 1>3 instead of 1>2>3 in example).

The easiest example is the manual 6 to 4 drop and punch.

In a manual rolling along in 6th (would be 10 for the automatic) and all of a sudden, for a wild hair, the driver drops down to 4th and punches it. In the automatic that would be like going from 10th to 7th and flooring it. Since you manually manipulated the gear change does the automatic take over again once you’ve floored it or will it hold and rev?

Edit: change auto drop to 7 instead of originally posted 6th gear.

 

[npole]

The easiest example is the manual 6 to 4 drop and punch.

In a manual rolling along in 6th (would be 10 for the automatic) and all of a sudden, for a wild hair, the driver drops down to 4th and punches it. In the automatic that would be like going from 10th to 7th and flooring it. Since you manually manipulated the gear change does the automatic take over again once you’ve floored it or will it hold and rev?

Edit: change auto drop to 7 instead of originally posted 6th gear.

That's the exact example I've posted above. Normally when I'm cruising, I'm in 10th, If i need immediate speed, I drop it in 7th or even in 6th (depending of the speed) by pressing the paddle 3 or 4 times, and I will be in the desired rpm "immediately", faster than what I was doing with my "manual" Mustang. It depends on how fast you press the paddle, coz the gear change is pretty fast too, so if you hesitate you will end doing a 10>9>8>7 ... but if you click on the thing rapidly like 3 times in less than a second, it does 10>7.
It does the same even in "A", the computer senses that you floored the pedal and it does 10>7, skipping the gears, BUT in "auto" there's a little lag before the "computer" understand that you want to accelerate, that's why most of the time I drive in "M" with the paddles.. driving in "A" only when I'm really cruising forgetting the spiritate driving.

 

[Zig]

That's the exact example I've posted above. Normally when I'm cruising, I'm in 10th, If i need immediate speed, I drop it in 7th or even in 6th (depending of the speed) by pressing the paddle 3 or 4 times, and I will be in the desired rpm "immediately", faster than what I was doing with my "manual" Mustang. It depends on how fast you press the paddle, coz the gear change is pretty fast too, so if you hesitate you will end doing a 10>9>8>7 ... but if you click on the thing rapidly like 3 times in less than a second, it does 10>7.
It does the same even in "A", the computer senses that you floored the pedal and it does 10>7, skipping the gears, BUT in "auto" there's a little lag before the "computer" understand that you want to accelerate, that's why most of the time I drive in "M" with the paddles.. driving in "A" only when I'm really cruising forgetting the spiritate driving.

So almost a clutchless manual but uses computer logic instead of human.

i wonder what’s preventing them from using the manual shifter in automatic mode?

edit: as in, automatic with manual shifter that uses every other, makes a 10 speed a 5 speed type of thing. Slide the shifter to ‘d’ for computer shifts, switch to manual and the shifter pattern unlocks with an every other (or what ever) gear pattern
available for a clutchless manual shifter.

 

[npole]

U mean a sort of electronic lever? It would be fun.. but on the practical usage (forgetting the limits of don't let you place the stick in the "wrong" place) wouldn't make much sense, the paddles are much faster and you get both hands on the wheel. If you miss the stick (for whatever reason), just buy a manual. ;)

 

[Starship Enterprise]

I have the A10 for two weeks now, have 2000 km. As I mentioned previously, never had auto trans. before. This is awesome to drive. Also didn’t like the sport mode in the beginning as it felt more harsh and not really for cruising as it keeps the rev up. However I found the sport mode is good at hills and curvy roads, with combination of paddles it does excellent job. The 10 speeds allows you to put your revs exactly at the point you want to have them.

Thanks…that’s good to know! Each mode definitely has it’s place. I’m just still learning which mode works best in what place.

Give it time to learn your driving habits. It will adjust.

Sport is a bit gimmicky IMO. The quicker throttle response off the line is a bit of a placebo. If you don't adjust your foot pressure for the improved response, it likes to hang in gears too long. I think normal mode is just as fast if you put your foot into it.

Track mode is the Goldie locks zone. Linear trottle response and quicker shifting without the gears hanging. It downshift perfectly in this mode too.

Thanks! Some good tips as well. I hardly tried Track Mode yet. I’m trying so hard to stay with a gentle break-in until I reach the magic 1000 miles, then explore the other modes more thoroughly. I got nervous when Sport mode was holding the gear so long, I thought it would never upshift!

Sport and Track seem to get those RPM’s up past where I want to be while breaking in.

When I had my Prowler, it had an auto-stick, and it had adaptive memory. If slow traffic bogged it all down, the trick was to disconnect the battery ground for 20 minutes, and the trans would default to firm shifts. It was a total reset of the adaptive driving. I don’t know for sure if that will work in this Mustang, and I think disconnecting the battery requires some things to be reset manually?

Btw "double tap" will skip the gear (in both upshift and downshift).

That's the exact example I've posted above. Normally when I'm cruising, I'm in 10th, If i need immediate speed, I drop it in 7th or even in 6th (depending of the speed) by pressing the paddle 3 or 4 times, and I will be in the desired rpm "immediately", faster than what I was doing with my "manual" Mustang. It depends on how fast you press the paddle, coz the gear change is pretty fast too, so if you hesitate you will end doing a 10>9>8>7 ... but if you click on the thing rapidly like 3 times in less than a second, it does 10>7.
It does the same even in "A", the computer senses that you floored the pedal and it does 10>7, skipping the gears, BUT in "auto" there's a little lag before the "computer" understand that you want to accelerate, that's why most of the time I drive in "M" with the paddles.. driving in "A" only when I'm really cruising forgetting the spiritate driving.

I go up a fairly steep hill heading out my road. with gentle throttle, I drop it down to 5th while doing about 40 MPH and that seems the sweet spot. I tap the paddle fast, but haven’t really noticed the gear skipping or if it just drops quick. I’ll have to look closer…lol.

I’d drive manual more, but 10 gears is tedious, and knowing me, I’d forget I’m in manual at some point, and wonder why I’m revving to the moon….lol. I like being in auto and just using the paddles on top of it. Kind of best of both worlds.

So almost a clutchless manual but uses computer logic instead of human.

i wonder what’s preventing them from using the manual shifter in automatic mode?

edit: as in, automatic with manual shifter that uses every other, makes a 10 speed a 5 speed type of thing. Slide the shifter to ‘d’ for computer shifts, switch to manual and the shifter pattern unlocks with an every other (or what ever) gear pattern
available for a clutchless manual shifter.

5 speed clutchless would be awesome! My Prowler had Autostick which meant when you pulled it past Drive it was in Manual mode, but instead of paddles, you just slapped the stick to the left or right for up/down shifts. It was a lot of fun, but if that trans was 10 speed, I would have never used it.

 

[Zig]

U mean a sort of electronic lever? It would be fun.. but on the practical usage (forgetting the limits of don't let you place the stick in the "wrong" place) wouldn't make much sense, the paddles are much faster and you get both hands on the wheel. If you miss the stick (for whatever reason), just buy a manual. ;)

Push button pilot is more hang on with both hands than interactive participation engagement.

but yeah for the fun of it, isn’t that the whole point of manual mode anyway?

the shifter could have the same 1-5 (do we really need two overdrives, 6th would switch back to auto mode … ) pattern and movement, just no clutch and in auto mode it would use the 1-10 shift point/programming with no movement (locked in drive)

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Driven a few 'clutchess manuals', or automated manuals, or however you want to call them. They work exactly like a standard, but the car moves the clutch for you. They literally never work correctly or well unless you're driving it hard. Around town they simply have no idea how to manage the clutch.

Maserati's was particularly bad, since that one was essentially the same as what they used in F1. The difference is that it was put in a big GT car. Plenty of stories where people burned up the clutch trying to launch the car on the test drives, hahah. Never used that one myself, but I don't particularly care to.

The BMW SMG - when new - was only enjoyable when you're kicking the teeth in on the car. Sucked around town. When old, it was bad everywhere. sluggish upshifts, bad downshifts. I remember that it wouldn't blip the throttle on downshifts, so I had to do it for the car, otherwise the whole thing would lurch like a beginner was driving. There was a second generation SMG, but it was still not idea. I'd much rather just work the clutch pedal myself.

I know SAAB had one too, but I doubt it was any better.

 

[Alex381]

Push button pilot is more hang on with both hands than interactive participation engagement.

but yeah for the fun of it, isn’t that the whole point of manual mode anyway?

the shifter could have the same 1-5 (do we really need two overdrives, 6th would switch back to auto mode … ) pattern and movement, just no clutch and in auto mode it would use the 1-10 shift point/programming with no movement (locked in drive)

It’s 3 overdrive gears on the 10 speed, 2 on the MT82 and 1 on the Tremec.

 

[npole]

Push button pilot is more hang on with both hands than interactive participation engagement.

but yeah for the fun of it, isn’t that the whole point of manual mode anyway?

the shifter could have the same 1-5 (do we really need two overdrives, 6th would switch back to auto mode … ) pattern and movement, just no clutch and in auto mode it would use the 1-10 shift point/programming with no movement (locked in drive)

The "fun" of a manual, isn't just the stick, it's the whole thing of changing the gears (including the clutch).
And that "fun" part is relative... as I said in my first post in this thread, after tens of years of manual cars, I've figured that the "fun" for me and my driving style is the performance, I drive it like a manual, but faster, in every circumstances.

 

[Zig]

Driven a few 'clutchess manuals', or automated manuals, or however you want to call them. They work exactly like a standard, but the car moves the clutch for you. They literally never work correctly or well unless you're driving it hard. Around town they simply have no idea how to manage the clutch.

Maserati's was particularly bad, since that one was essentially the same as what they used in F1. The difference is that it was put in a big GT car. Plenty of stories where people burned up the clutch trying to launch the car on the test drives, hahah. Never used that one myself, but I don't particularly care to.

The BMW SMG - when new - was only enjoyable when you're kicking the teeth in on the car. Sucked around town. When old, it was bad everywhere. sluggish upshifts, bad downshifts. I remember that it wouldn't blip the throttle on downshifts, so I had to do it for the car, otherwise the whole thing would lurch like a beginner was driving. There was a second generation SMG, but it was still not idea. I'd much rather just work the clutch pedal myself.

I know SAAB had one too, but I doubt it was any better.

Does this imply the rev-match function will eventually wear out?

 

[npole]

It’s 3 overdrive gears on the 10 speed, 2 on the MT82 and 1 on the Tremec.

Remove the speed limiter and they'll be less.

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