Auto StartStop

[LouG]

I hate S/S, just because.
When the lights change and there's a cyclist running the red, I want instant acceleration, not letting him get away while the engine wakes up.
(I'm just kidding, whoevers monitoring it up "there")

Sponsored

 

[AZ_Ryan]

All I know is….if I was worried about gas mileage I would have bought a Prius.

Or at least not a Mustang.

 

[D/\rK•650]

I have an A10 transmission and a 3:15 rear end but I think people tend to mis-judge that set up.

No, I wouldn't go up against your car unless it's a manual, but the A10 is rather amazing when it downshifts into a low gear and takes off hard and fast shifting super fast until I let off the gas.

I'll tattle on myself in that the car has seen 150 and it got there quick. Around town, it basicly almost idles around in a high gear because it has the torque and power to do that. I can put it in sport mode and it completely changes it's personality and gets very quick driving and handling. I can't beat everybody by far but it isn't a slow set up either. Just sayin'.

I'll find out tomorrow because I'm leaving on a thousand mile round trip with 90% on the highway. I'm predicting at least 24+ mpg driving how I want. The radar detector will be my little buddy.

Keep us posted if it's not to much trouble, curious to see what kind of MPG you get..enjoy ur trip !!

 

[Gregs24]

Job 1 S650s didn't have ASS, and there was no interruption in manufacturing for 2025. I highly doubt there are two separate 10R80s just for ASS. My guess is that it's a simple modification.

S/S 10R80's have an additional electric oil pump that acts when the engine isn't running. Plus there was a delay in S650 manufacturing in Job 2 when the S/S version of the Coyote was delayed, they were only making Ecoboosts for a while. I'm not sure if Windsor supply the engine plus transmission combined or not, so maybe it was the transmission changes that held it up?

 

[Gregs24]

All I know is….if I was worried about gas mileage I would have bought a Prius.

It isn't about you and gas mileage (although it is a secondary benefit) it is about environmental pollution both locally and globally. lots of small changes add up to a big effect.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

I doubt that. Timing chains are splash lubricated, they stay soaked in oil for much longer than an engine is stopped in a typical stop/start episode.
Our '70's and 80's era patrol bikes and cars would sit engine off for up to half an hour or so and then get fired up and rung out in a pursuit. None ever killed a timing chain.

Timing chains used to be only a few links long o

I doubt that. Timing chains are splash lubricated, they stay soaked in oil for much longer than an engine is stopped in a typical stop/start episode.
Our '70's and 80's era patrol bikes and cars would sit engine off for up to half an hour or so and then get fired up and rung out in a pursuit. None ever killed a timing chain.

You can't compare the two. Theres a solid three or four feet of difference. Old timing chains were truly lifetime because they were so short.

1970's timing chains:

modern timing chains:

 

[Zig]

It isn't about you and gas mileage (although it is a secondary benefit) it is about environmental pollution both locally and globally. lots of small changes add up to a big effect.

Is pollution a byproduct of miles per gallon?

 

[rijndael]

You can't compare the two. Theres a solid three or four feet of difference. Old timing chains were truly lifetime because they were so short.

1970's timing chains:

modern timing chains:

I think you're romanticizing the old (simpler) setups. They weren't flawless. Many of those timing setups from the 70s-80s had nylon/nylon coated gears, and wore out. You still had to put a new timing set on.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

I think you're romanticizing the old (simpler) setups. They weren't flawless. Many of those timing setups from the 70s-80s had nylon/nylon coated gears, and wore out. You still had to put a new timing set on.

Its irrelevant to my original point.

People have every right to be cautious of S/S.

 

[rijndael]

Its irrelevant to my original point.

You said it's a lifetime chain, it's not.

 

[Frogdog1]

Keep us posted if it's not to much trouble, curious to see what kind of MPG you get..enjoy ur trip !!

Roger, will do. Leaving in about an hour and back next week.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

You said it's a lifetime chain, it's not.

I was very obviously referring to metal chains, not the few brands that fucked with nylon cam gears.

 

[rijndael]

not the few brands that fucked with nylon cam gears.

at least Ford, Chrysler and GM used them.

Yea, just a few.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

at least Ford, Chrysler and GM used them.

Yea, just a few.

Dude, you're arguing a point that has no relevance to anything were talking about besides the fact that its about timing setups. No one disagrees with you.

 

[Frogdog1]

S/S 10R80's have an additional electric oil pump that acts when the engine isn't running. Plus there was a delay in S650 manufacturing in Job 2 when the S/S version of the Coyote was delayed, they were only making Ecoboosts for a while. I'm not sure if Windsor supply the engine plus transmission combined or not, so maybe it was the transmission changes that held it up?

There is no "additional start/stop electric oil pump" on the engine". A simple Google question puts the kabash on that. I thought it sounded rather creative. You seem obsessed with have s/s on Mustangs as a great thing. Sorry, it's a big flop in accomplishing nothing but wearing out an engine and taking longer to leave from a stop light. Just simple logic tells me starting and stopping a high compression V8 around town constantly isn't a good thing.

Also, the all knowing Google has this to say about start/stop and, of course they're right all the time, LOL:

"Start-stop technology has disadvantages including potential increased wear on the starter, battery, and engine components like the timing chain and bearings; potential for rust and corrosion in the exhaust system from condensation; increased battery replacement frequency and cost; potential driving discomfort, annoyance, and increased lag when needing to accelerate quickly; and complexity and costly repairs for advanced systems."

No, I will not use it on my Mustang and other cars as always. In summary, it just plain sucks.

Sponsored