AI is awesome...

[Skye]

As the discussion continues, I'd ask anyone to consider the following:

- The data centers and chip plants often discussed require a lot of water, a lot of power. If you live in an area where these resources are strained, engage your local utility companies and counselors to determine how prepared your area is to meet those needs, if one of these facilities is to be built nearby or in the same state

- If the circulating (with the US Senate right now) legislation passes in its current form, individual states will not be allowed to regulate AI for 10 years. Discuss with your reps and review their stance on this matter

- The economic benefits of these facilities and businesses is bitter-sweet. Austin, TX, is very much like San Francisco and the surrounding area used to be

- AI and tech are following the same path the Internet phenomenon did in the late 90s. After several years and only-go-up growth, it blew up in spectacular fashion. Some companies survived. Many did not. For the businesses providing Internet access and transmission services today, it can very much be a cutthroat business. Specific to tech and data centers, you can't keep buying new chipsets every quarter. Eventually, customer and economic forces will make companies curtail their CapEx. Clients will demand more value for the price paid. Anyone with a direct interest in this topic should review how they'll be impacted when things turn the other way

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[Zig]

As the discussion continues, I'd ask anyone to consider the following:

- The data centers and chip plants often discussed require a lot of water, a lot of power. If you live in an area where these resources are strained, engage your local utility companies and counselors to determine how prepared your area is to meet those needs, if one of these facilities is to be built nearby or in the same state

- If the circulating (with the US Senate right now) legislation passes in its current form, individual states will not be allowed to regulate AI for 10 years. Discuss with your reps and review their stance on this matter

- The economic benefits of these facilities and businesses is bitter-sweet. Austin, TX, is very much like San Francisco and the surrounding area used to be

- AI and tech are following the same path the Internet phenomenon did in the late 90s. After several years and only-go-up growth, it blew up in spectacular fashion. Some companies survived. Many did not. For the businesses providing Internet access and transmission services today, it can very much be a cutthroat business. Specific to tech and data centers, you can't keep buying new chipsets every quarter. Eventually, customer and economic forces will make companies curtail their CapEx. Clients will demand more value for the price paid. Anyone with a direct interest in this topic should review how they'll be impacted when things turn the other way

When the ‘center’ becomes the ‘chip’ …

 

[Yamazuki]

Skynet's coming!

 

[AZ_Ryan]

A.I. makes it so you can't believe anything all media say. Greatest tool for propaganda. It has already been shown that A.I. can produce misleading information depending on who and how it is programed. We should all be cautious.

Right, because misinformation and propaganda wasn't a thing in the media before AI.

 

[kagemusha2662]

AI is bigger than the internet, air flight, space travel, …. It’s everything that has ever happened or will ever happen unfolding all at once… Sam Altman just wrote a piece “the gentle singularity”

I wonder why Sam Altman (known CEO of OpenAI) would write a whole think piece saying how good AI is for mankind. Look up public opinion of AI, the way AI is being approached, it is doing more harm than good. You'd be foolish to not think so, and these billionaires do not have the public interest at heart. They are looking for ways to extract extreme wealth from 99% of the people, and AI is allowing that. Not only are they extracting wealth through stealing data that used to be free and charging an extreme premium for it, they are also cutting down on costs by laying off thousands of workers. The only winners of AI are the people who are in charge of it. For you, your post history implies you are a day trader/crypto bro/investor, so you are mainly pushing the hype from being financially invested in it. It's not gonna work out for you and 99% of the world.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Right, because misinformation and propaganda wasn't a thing in the media before AI.

It's never approached this scale and easy access. Anyone from any computer (even phone) can create a realistic looking video that will fool 90+% of the public because people have become conditioned to not think for themselves. If you go on X, most of the replies are @Grok is this true or @perplexity, which uses rank based sources that are easily manipulated on the internet. Not only that, there are numerous bad actors who actively try to manipulate the learning models to grab data that surfaces their view/opinions. This is happening on both sides of the political spectrum, so I'm not even pushing any political narrative or side. AI is dangerous, and the people in charge of it are not to be trusted and push it extremely so people will hand money over to them. AI CEOs have spent millions to already lobby California lawmakers as well as millions to lobby people in Washington already. Think about if it was good for all mankind, why politicians need to be bribed/paid in order to support it?

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

It's scary how easy it is to fool people with AI. My parents were excitedly showing me videos of a "Tesla Model 2" and a sub-$20K Toyota coming in the future, and it took me less than a second to know they were AI generated.

 

[Frogdog1]

As the discussion continues, I'd ask anyone to consider the following:

- The data centers and chip plants often discussed require a lot of water, a lot of power. If you live in an area where these resources are strained, engage your local utility companies and counselors to determine how prepared your area is to meet those needs, if one of these facilities is to be built nearby or in the same state

- If the circulating (with the US Senate right now) legislation passes in its current form, individual states will not be allowed to regulate AI for 10 years. Discuss with your reps and review their stance on this matter

- The economic benefits of these facilities and businesses is bitter-sweet. Austin, TX, is very much like San Francisco and the surrounding area used to be

- AI and tech are following the same path the Internet phenomenon did in the late 90s. After several years and only-go-up growth, it blew up in spectacular fashion. Some companies survived. Many did not. For the businesses providing Internet access and transmission services today, it can very much be a cutthroat business. Specific to tech and data centers, you can't keep buying new chipsets every quarter. Eventually, customer and economic forces will make companies curtail their CapEx. Clients will demand more value for the price paid. Anyone with a direct interest in this topic should review how they'll be impacted when things turn the other way

Some very good points on AI. Ask the consumers near data centers, how they like their power bills. The electric grid is already an outdated decrepit mess and "we" want to put AI and electric cars on the grid!! ha ha

Just to power all electric cars as mandated by 2035 by the outgoing idiot, would require a doubling of the electric grid. A lot of things aren't going to happen unless electricity changes in sourcing.

Electricity is a real thing. It isn't just something that comes out of a plug in the wall. AI is also why a lot of new college graduates couldn't write a term paper if they had to if all they had to use was a library without computers and AI. Research is a foreign concept anymore to too many people. Just wait and see what doesn't happen and what does happen and when. California can't even power itself in 2025 without gigantic forest fires or two or three.

 

[kagemusha2662]

It's scary how easy it is to fool people with AI. My parents were excitedly showing me videos of a "Tesla Model 2" and a sub-$20K Toyota coming in the future, and it took me less than a second to know they were AI generated.

It’s really telling how these companies have say they have AI and one of their first business cases is hey let’s create a media generator that allows users to create anything they want without any rules or any kind of safe guards. Let’s do that instead of making AI that can make research easier or have actual practical applications/usage.

Some very good points on AI. Ask the consumers near data centers, how they like their power bills. The electric grid is already an outdated decrepit mess and "we" want to put AI and electric cars on the grid!! ha ha

Just to power all electric cars as mandated by 2035 by the outgoing idiot, would require a doubling of the electric grid. A lot of things aren't going to happen unless electricity changes in sourcing.

Electricity is a real thing. It isn't just something that comes out of a plug in the wall. AI is also why a lot of new college graduates couldn't write a term paper if they had to if all they had to use was a library without computers and AI. Research is a foreign concept anymore to too many people. Just wait and see what doesn't happen and what does happen and when. California can't even power itself in 2025 without gigantic forest fires or two or three.

The answer to the AI power question is nuclear. Which is why you see all these companies pouring millions into lobbying and re-opening the old nuclear plants as well as building out new ones. Even then, it's not gonna be ready for years, but they are willing to sacrifice thousands of jobs and mess up the electricity grid/resource management of the country to get their way.

 

[Frogdog1]

The answer to power solutions is in the ground and will be in anyone's lifetime today. The U.S. has more oil and gas than any other country on the planet and regulations is the reason it isn't being tapped more. It's the most mis-understood industry and power source there is.

 

[kagemusha2662]

The answer to power solutions is in the ground and will be in anyone's lifetime today. The U.S. has more oil and gas than any other country on the planet and regulations is the reason it isn't being tapped more. It's the most mis-understood industry and power source there is.

All the oil and gas will never be enough to satiate the power consumption that AI needs. Even if we double the amount of oil and gas production, it would still lead to massive power outages because AI is so compute heavy. If you've ever been to a data center, you can see the racks and racks of CPU intensive computers that run thousands of CPU and RAM expensive tasks 24/7. Scaling up that for more AI usage as well as scaling up oil/gas production would be billions if not trillions of dollars. And also oil/gas is a finite resource that is inefficient compared to nuclear energy. The amount of uranium used to generate the same amount of electricity is thousands of times less. (source).

 

[Zig]

All the oil and gas will never be enough to satiate the power consumption that AI needs. Even if we double the amount of oil and gas production, it would still lead to massive power outages because AI is so compute heavy. If you've ever been to a data center, you can see the racks and racks of CPU intensive computers that run thousands of CPU and RAM expensive tasks 24/7. Scaling up that for more AI usage as well as scaling up oil/gas production would be billions if not trillions of dollars. And also oil/gas is a finite resource that is inefficient compared to nuclear energy. The amount of uranium used to generate the same amount of electricity is thousands of times less. (source).

Power for the chips is only a fraction of the consumption requirement, try it without a/c (cooling), talk about generating heat.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Power for the chips is only a fraction of the consumption requirement, try it without a/c (cooling), talk about generating heat.

The genius idea is to route a ton of water to cool it, and that has already ran into issues with water supply of surrounding towns. (source)

 

[Q6543]

So… take a step back..

according to Jensen and Nvidia, it’s gonna be a global buildup/ infrastructure!

so the whole worlds demands won’t be powered by USA… USA will have its own AI datacenters… same as Europe, China, etc…

the power demands will be globally spread out, and yes I’m sure nuclear will be on the table, or subletting energy to/from global servers as needed

Incredible times… we are unfolding 100 plus years of advances in the next 10-15…

2140 will be similar to 2040… but 2040 will be nothing like 2025… that’s the idea Altman is trying to get across

if i described tech today to people in 2020 (5 years ago) they wouldn’t believe it could happen so fast.

move fast and break things…. The old meta way

 

[kagemusha2662]

So… take a step back..

according to Jensen and Nvidia, it’s gonna be a global buildup/ infrastructure!

so the whole worlds demands won’t be powered by USA… USA will have its own AI datacenters… same as Europe, China, etc…

the power demands will be globally spread out, and yes I’m sure nuclear will be on the table, or subletting energy to/from global servers as needed

Incredible times… we are unfolding 100 plus years of advances in the next 10-15…

2140 will be similar to 2040… but 2040 will be nothing like 2025… that’s the idea Altman is trying to get across

if i described tech today to people in 2020 (5 years ago) they wouldn’t believe it could happen so fast.

Jensen is also a massive beneficiary of AI hype. Dude is selling all the shovels to all these companies with his GPUs. I would be shocked if people on this forum love this dude or support him while also supporting American made because Jensen and NVIDIA love outsourcing work, especially to Taiwan. And they love handing over GPUs to China, either illegally through Singapore or by lobbying government to lift the restrictions on selling GPUs to China. Both of which hurt the US technologically as well as financially.

USA already has its own datacenters and as explained above, they are massively choking resources people actually need in order to power/maintain them every day. Not only are they expensive to power/maintain, they are expensive to create with cost of land, labor, materials.

Really incredible times when no company has yet found a feasible business model/product that has captured mainstream retention while also making money. Sam Altman himself has said that the current $200/month subscription is far from a profitable business model. How much can normal people pay per month to use a tool that is wrong a significant percentage of the time? Also Sam Altman is a scumbag. I don't like Elon Musk, but he was right in pointing out the hypocrisy of Altman. OpenAI started off as a non profit with no goals for profit and doing AI research. As soon as Altman smelled the money, he initiated a power grab, booted off the initial board, and partnered with Microsoft. They can't IPO anymore because of successful lawsuits, but their goal is no longer non profit; it's to squeeze profit out of its users no matter what. So much for ethical AI research!

Edit: also your last comment about tech today vs in 2020 is laughable. People in the Bay Area already knew about this stuff 7-10 years ago. This stuff is moving at a normal rate compared to tech in general, it's just been in the oven for those who know who work in the industry. Machine learning as a field has been around for decades.

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