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Maybe it's because we were an English colony until just 119 years ago and they love eccentrics in England, but I also think the world would be a less interesting place without them.
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Although I can totally see the gov't doing another "cash for clunkers" to get non-compliant vehicles off the road or they may just take your old car by physical force like they did the General Motors EV-1 before they fed them all through a metal shredder.
What? No government confiscated people's EV-1s. This was an experimental car, and General Motors did not sell them. They leased them out and did not give the leasees the option to buy them after the lease expired. You can question the wisdom of the whole program, but it was always GM's prerogative to do what they wanted after the leases expired.
 

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Oil changes, filters, fluids, wipers, a battery or two, belts and hoses, spark plugs, tires, maybe some wheels in case you damage one.
So your theory is that the federal government will forbid the sale of new belts and hoses for cars manufactured before current safety equipment was mandated? You do realize that you can still buy belts, hoses, tires, etc. for cars too old to have airbags and antilock brakes, right?
 

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Troll or not, the amount of people in here who appear to be dismissive is absurd. It's not hard to verify this stuff. He's not totally nuts. I've been following this for years.

The actual congressional directive to NHSTA:

“Not later than 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall issue a final rule prescribing a Federal motor vehicle safety standard under section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, that requires passenger motor vehicles manufactured after the effective date of that standard to be equipped with advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology.

The final rule the NHSTA actually implements must allow for one of these:

(A) Passive BAC Detection
Passively and accurately detect whether a driver is impaired by alcohol and prevent or limit vehicle operation when impairment is detected.
(B) Passive Behavioral Monitoring
Passively monitor driver performance to identify impairment and prevent or limit vehicle operation when impairment is detected.
It must do so only when such a standard can meet the Safety Act’s requirements for accuracy, reasonableness, and safety. There is no hard timeline. The NHSTA just has to advise on their progress and when they think they will have something that actually works.

That being said if you don't think OEMs (or LEO, Goverment etc.) would use this opportunity for data collection you're a fool.

So no its not truly federally mandated kill switches right out of the gate but it a requirement that creates a legal precedent, and hardware-/firmware framework for mass-vehicle live-occupancy monitoring.
 

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Or just don't drive drunk. Accountability sucks I know.
I never do, which is why I'm even more opposed to more Big Brother nanny bullshit added to cars. Why should I have to suffer invasive equipment that makes me pay more for cars because states will just give a driver's license to any pinhead that steps through the doors of the BMV who doesn't even notice they can't see and assess why when they cruise around at 11pm with no lights on. Try to out-engineer idiots and God will just make a new and improved idiot. It's long past due people are told to pound sand and buy comfy shoes if they won't be responsible and least learn basic functions of the heavy equipment they want to operate in public.
 


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What am I missing...Even if it was true why would you have to hoard Mustang parts? lol...
 

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What am I missing...Even if it was true why would you have to hoard Mustang parts? lol...
A lot of people are starting to avoid newer tech due to complexity and / or ongoing and increasing privacy concerns. I would straight up refuse to buy a car with those types of systems in them unless I could figure out how to disable it all. Under the assumption a mandated kill switch was actually a thing, I could see a scenario where people would want older cars and hoard parts to keep them running. I already disable telemetric units and other systems in my vehicles.
 

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A lot of people are starting to avoid newer tech due to complexity and / or ongoing and increasing privacy concerns. I would straight up refuse to buy a car with those types of systems in them unless I could figure out how to disable it all. Under the assumption a mandated kill switch was actually a thing, I could see a scenario where people would want older cars and hoard parts to keep them running. I already disable telemetric units and other systems in my vehicles.
Then stick to old cars, nobody is forcing you to buy a new one and moan about it.
 

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For the life of me, I do not understand how people are so continuously flippant and dismissive of government or corporate overreach. Its either "I'm not doing anything illegal so I don't have to worry", or "Its been over since xxx, it doesn't even matter anyone, everything is already monitored".

Just because the OP is a fruitcake doesn't mean what he's posting about isn't real.
 

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For the life of me, I do not understand how people are so continuously flippant and dismissive of government or corporate overreach. Its either "I'm not doing anything illegal so I don't have to worry", or "Its been over since xxx, it doesn't even matter anyone, everything is already monitored".

Just because the OP is a fruitcake doesn't mean what he's posting about isn't real.
Of course some of us live in different countries...
 

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The so called Drunk-o-meter has been discussed for about 10 years. There are three detriments to its passing.

First the technology is iffy at best. We know this because of the failure rate of the current blow in the tube units (false negative/positive failures are over 25%). Passive ones? I think not.

Another is driver acceptance when and if they fail, and they will!

Imagine the overall cost of mandating these devices into millions of vehicles, knowing it'll be another debacle like the automatic engine off "feature"!
 

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We have completely different and stronger privacy laws, much to the disgust of some Americans!
Brother, you really think you're immune from stuff like this just because you're in a different part of the world? Come on now.

Give it time
 

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I can't believe anyone in the UK/France would try and look down their noses at us; all the former dream destinations of Europe have been completely destroyed by horrible immigration policies. They're wastelands overrun by subhuman mongrels destroying and killing everything in their path.
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