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Ford already IS the F-series company, its their best selling global brand by a wide margin.

US numbers
828,000 F-series
1,268,000 total truck sales
2,204,000 total US sales

Global numbers
2,728,000 total consumer ICE
1,488,000 Total Fleet ICE
178,000 total EV

just shy of 20% of fords GLOBAL sales is just the F-series in the US

Edit: these are all FY 25 numbers from Fords own press releases
Trouble is it isn't global, it is NA only which is a much higher risk product as a result. One market can change it's mind whereas more diverse products are less at risk.
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Trouble is it isn't global, it is NA only which is a much higher risk product as a result. One market can change it's mind whereas more diverse products are less at risk.
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Trouble is it isn't global, it is NA only which is a much higher risk product as a result. One market can change it's mind whereas more diverse products are less at risk.
youre missing the obvious fact here, the United States IS 50% of the global market. its even Toyotas largest market. the US is one of the two countries in the world its worth developing a vehicle specifically for.
 

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youre missing the obvious fact here, the United States IS 50% of the global market. its even Toyotas largest market. the US is one of the two countries in the world its worth developing a vehicle specifically for.
But that still leaves a lot of eggs in one basket which in history has always been very risky.
 

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But that still leaves a lot of eggs in one basket which in history has always been very risky.
from the eyes of shareholders better all the eggs in one 50 gallon drum than trying to stuff 10 of those gallons into a 5 gallon European bucket
 


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The F series truck has been the best selling truck for 47 years and Fords flagship sales vehicle. Im pretty sure they know what they're doing. I do love it when Europeans come on an American Car forum and argue sales strategies tho.
 

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The F series truck has been the best selling truck for 47 years and Fords flagship sales vehicle. Im pretty sure they know what they're doing. I do love it when Europeans come on an American Car forum and argue sales strategies tho.
Err because Ford is a global company selling more cars outside the US than inside.
 

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from the eyes of shareholders better all the eggs in one 50 gallon drum than trying to stuff 10 of those gallons into a 5 gallon European bucket
Really? Most shareholders are very nervous of a company selling one big product. Just because it has worked so far doesn't mean it will continue to work. Look at Ford US market share over the last 47 years - doesn't make good reading and pressure is only getting worse with Chinese car makers. Where were Toyota and Honda 47 years ago?
 

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Really? Most shareholders are very nervous of a company selling one big product. Just because it has worked so far doesn't mean it will continue to work. Look at Ford US market share over the last 47 years - doesn't make good reading and pressure is only getting worse with Chinese car makers. Where were Toyota and Honda 47 years ago?
which is why Ford has global operations, the US is 50% of that and the F-series is almost 50% of the US. youre saying Ford should ditch 20% of their global revenue to hunt sales in markets Ford is already in. tell that to any shareholder and youll get laughed out of the room.
 

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which is why Ford has global operations, the US is 50% of that and the F-series is almost 50% of the US. youre saying Ford should ditch 20% of their global revenue to hunt sales in markets Ford is already in. tell that to any shareholder and youll get laughed out of the room.
I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying Ford is very exposed in it's largest market with one model which can make shareholders nervous, especially when you see a market decline over many years from overseas competition. The F150 cash cow may not be there forever, what happens when a Chinese car maker makes an F150 equivalent for half the price (and if you think that isn't likely then it already exists)? We know from history that money talks and people will buy a cheaper product.

Don't forget the fire and supply issues that stopped production either.

Just don't stick your head in the sand, there are plenty of countries that have and lost their car industries.
 
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I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying Ford is very exposed in it's largest market with one model which can make shareholders nervous, especially when you see a market decline over many years from overseas competition. The F150 cash cow may not be there forever, what happens when a Chinese car maker makes an F150 equivalent for half the price (and if you think that isn't likely then it already exists)? We know from history that money talks and people will buy a cheaper product.

Just don't stick your head in the sand, there are plenty of countries that have and lost their car industries.
what makes you think Ford is keeping their heads in the sand? the F-series is their best selling product but its not like they havent done anything in the last 47 years. the F-series is the nest egg that lets them invest in their global business because thats not going to bring in enough money to offset the F-series.
 

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Ford has been showing signs of pulling out of UK / Europe for some time now. They've axed the best selling car (fiesta) and pretty much finished off the next best seller (focus) and have left themselves with vehicles people aren't interested in (Capri/explorer/ranger) the best selling vehicles at Ford main dealerships are all Chinese.

Edit - forgot to say, other than on my driveway or at my dealership I rarely see a ford less than 3 years old. I see plenty of new cars, plenty of fords just not any new fords
 
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I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying Ford is very exposed in it's largest market with one model which can make shareholders nervous, especially when you see a market decline over many years from overseas competition. The F150 cash cow may not be there forever, what happens when a Chinese car maker makes an F150 equivalent for half the price (and if you think that isn't likely then it already exists)? We know from history that money talks and people will buy a cheaper product.

Don't forget the fire and supply issues that stopped production either.

Just don't stick your head in the sand, there are plenty of countries that have and lost their car industries.
Aside from the Mustang, Ford and child brands have not been competitive in the car market _here at home_. Look at their lineup: Trucks, SUV's, vans & cars. Lincoln has all SUV's since 2020.
The Mustang is the lone exception as it survived against the F-body and though sales are not setting the world on fire, Ford does stand behind it.

Ford is already getting their lunch money taken in the car market and Ram has made a serious play for the truck market that has stripped away a lot of truck buyers. Look at the Ram interiors, they are very nice, well thought out and attractive. Where Ram falls down is reliability in comparison to the F series - at least as a work truck. Ford did themselves no favors with the Lightning and Mach-e debacle and they will be shaking that off for years to come. So will GM & Ram, but Ford was already expensive for what you got, amortizing the EV "division" probably added another $5k to the cost per truck, and more on the top tier models. Ford is going to need to start belt tightening on the F series MSRP to be competitive and stay that way.

China is already taking Ford's lunch money in the car market, but while they're great at stealing ideas, intellectual property and copying designs, they're not exactly on par with Japanese cars QC.

And have Japanese truck makers cut into the market? Sure. But not so much on job sites. If China had a market busting F series competitor, we'd already know about it and there would be a hue and cry to get it. And we would get it, then test it by beating on it repeatedly; comparing to an F350 PSD and watch the Chineseum wonder rattle itself apart.

Ford is somewhat competitive in more captive markets where small cars are tolerated.

You're right that Ford should pursue competing in other markets but they need to be mindful of not bringing models to market that lose money per sale or are so costly as to price themselves out.


what makes you think Ford is keeping their heads in the sand? the F-series is their best selling product but its not like they havent done anything in the last 47 years. the F-series is the nest egg that lets them invest in their global business because thats not going to bring in enough money to offset the F-series.
He's not wrong about Ford needing to compete globally, the other 2 of the big 3 do. Ford is very conservative about F series redesigns, and they can be a little over cautious sometimes. I understand the reticence to tinker with their bread and butter and that is a good thing but Ram has considerably eaten into the truck market shares and Ford would do well to take heed.

As we saw in Covid and the ensuing years, once the supply chain gets tanked, everything constricts, and we had vehicles made at the factory sitting around waiting for all manner of electronics, chips, hard parts, because the suppliers were interrupted. Look how long its taken to return to a semblance of normal.
 

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He's not wrong about Ford needing to compete globally, the other 2 of the big 3 do. Ford is very conservative about F series redesigns, and they can be a little over cautious sometimes. I understand the reticence to tinker with their bread and butter and that is a good thing but Ram has considerably eaten into the truck market shares and Ford would do well to take heed.

As we saw in Covid and the ensuing years, once the supply chain gets tanked, everything constricts, and we had vehicles made at the factory sitting around waiting for all manner of electronics, chips, hard parts, because the suppliers were interrupted. Look how long its taken to return to a semblance of normal.
why is everyone acting like Ford isnt competing on a global scale? they're the 7th largest global brand. they have trucks for sale around the globe, the Rangers are much smaller trucks that meet the need of smaller roads. while they arent at pre-covid levels, they are experiencing year on year growth, its not like Fords keeping their head in the sand, they just dont need to change the F-series to meet a much smaller demand at the expense of their largest slice of the pie
 

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why is everyone acting like Ford isnt competing on a global scale? they're the 7th largest global brand. they have trucks for sale around the globe, the Rangers are much smaller trucks that meet the need of smaller roads. while they arent at pre-covid levels, they are experiencing year on year growth, its not like Fords keeping their head in the sand, they just dont need to change the F-series to meet a much smaller demand at the expense of their largest slice of the pie
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