Has the GT also fake exhaust sound?

[Zig]

Then why did you directly quote him?

Because it was a response to the comment regarding simple smartphone won’t hear anything

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[Fruitstang]

Uff, Mr. T.Roll is back again.

My psychoanalytical assessment of Zigzak leads to the assumption that the intended question of his original question to GrabThatBlue was:

"How can you claim there is something like artificial engine sound played through the speakers if you think a normal smartphone microphone cannot capture it?"

Zig still denies the existence of it.
For new visitors to this thread: I wrote down everything about that question in my original post.

 

[Zig]

Uff, Mr. T.Roll is back again.

My psychoanalytical assessment of Zigzak leads to the assumption that the intended question of his original question to GrabThatBlue was:

"How can you claim there is something like artificial engine sound played through the speakers if you think a normal smartphone microphone cannot capture it?"

Zig still denies the existence of it.
For new visitors to this thread: I wrote down everything about that question in my original post.

Still unable to prove your statement other than hearsay. .How can we confirm without an agreed upon verification signal? Oh just do it, if it doesn’t work it must be another digit? Ops now the windows close each time the horn sounds. Come on, you’re better than that show us what you did. Share with us what you don’t hear. Maybe your assumption is incorrect since you are unable to provide independent evidence?

Btw: didn’t you indicate you’d be surprised if they faked it on the gt?

 

[Zig]

Would be really shocked if Ford had put it in a V8.

 

[Fruitstang]

READ . FIRST . POST . ON . PAGE . ONE . COMPLETELY

That quote is declared as part of the original post where I asked the forum before I a) saw the Ford Press Release confirming ESE and b) picked up my car and was able to turn it of with Forscan and to measure and hear the difference before and after.

I should consider this actually:

 

[Zig]

READ . FIRST . POST . ON . PAGE . ONE . COMPLETELY

That quote is declared as part of the original post where I asked the forum before I a) saw the Ford Press Release confirming ESE and b) picked up my car and was able to turn it of with Forscan and to measure and hear the difference before and after.

I should consider this actually:

Psstt. Dont you claim to have a convertible?

btw: you can hear the difference without changing anything in forscan simply by lowering the top.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

UPDATE:

In the meantime it has been officially mentioned in press texts by Ford that they use a system called "Electronic Sound Enhancement" (ESE) similar to the Ecoboost models also for the GT versions.

This is confirmed for the cars with the B&O system, other ones I'm not sure about.

The sounds are kind of subtle until you first really identified them and artificial, so not actual sound picked up by mics from the engine bay or near the exhaust tips (also, there are no microphones in these areas).
They interfere especially with the subwoofer signal at low RPM. Then the frequencies of the generated sound are accordingly low and played through the subwoofer to mimic a deeper rumble.

This leads to weak and imprecise punchless subwofer performance and, if the sub is upgraded with a separate amp, it can lead to louder drones or buzz tones.

Confimred by a couple of users with car stereo upgrades on this forum as well.

I measured a dominant 46 Hz tone once I started the engine with ESE on, and with it turned off, that tone was gone.

Good demonstrations of how it works can be watched here (to really get it, headphones are recommended):


1) A tuning company found by accident a developer mode to play the "enhancement" sounds without the engine running:





2) Some other guy took some comparison videos with ESE on/off driving a Raptor:





The good news is: This system can be turned off with Forscan:

In module ACM you have to change whatever character you have in the third column of the following line to zero:

727-01-01 xxxx xxxx 0x--

Checkout the Forscan sub to learn more about it.

If you do not know if the system is turned on or off on your car and want to check it without having to use Forscan, you can visit:

https://www.motorcraftservice.com/AsBuilt

and enter your VIN.

Once the website has finished loading, it will show a very long table with lots of setup parameters of your individual car. No need to download any files if you are not planning on using Forscan.

Search for the above mentioned line 727-01-01 and check whether the third column starts with a 1 or a 0. 1 means ESE is on, 0 means it is turned off.


Ps: This thread was hijacked by some brainless NPC who does everything he can to question the existence of ESE and throws in the same stupid questions and claims all other must be wrong over and over again, so more or less all pages following my first post on how ESE works (page 3) are repetitive explanations to those who came late to this thread without reading previous pages but were actually interested without fighting evidence.
But wherever possible, Mr. "I was ran over by a train, but miraculously the 5 braincells necessary to post weird troll one liners survived" really destroyed the conversation.
However, the main question has been answered above together with the description of how to turn off any artificial "sound enhancement".



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Original post with answers:

I wonder if the GT also has the same fake engine/exhaust sound playing through the speakers?

1) Does it? -> Yes
2) Which speakers are used when having the B&O with subwoofer? -> Frequency dependent, sub for lows, others for increasing frequencies
3) Can it be disabled and if, how? Especially on convertible -> With Forscan, explanation above, valid also for Fastback

Would be really shocked if Ford had put it in a V8.

Is the Raptor video in the quote above recorded with sophisticated audio recording equipment or something simpler, like an iPhone?

 

[Fruitstang]

How would I know, I didn't record it.
It just represents what I heard with my own ears.

Btw, no need to record all RPMs and load conditions or exhaust modes ... just try a good quality phone and an oscilloscope app like Spectroid (Android) and measure at idle once with and then without ESE.
Zig (and perhaps you as well) denies the existence.
That is an objective proof.
How much one hears later is irrelevant for that simple question.

Deaf? No experience or interest in Hifi? Not minding to simply know the fact there is some kind of artificial sound enhancement?
Be happy and skip the thread.

 

[Zig]

How would I know, I didn't record it.
It just represents what I heard with my own ears.

Btw, no need to record all RPMs and load conditions or exhaust modes ... just try a good quality phone and an oscilloscope app like Spectroid (Android) and measure at idle once with and then without ESE.
Zig (and perhaps you as well) denies the existence.
That is an objective proof.
How much one hears later is irrelevant for that simple question.

Deaf? No experience or interest in Hifi? Not minding to simply know the fact there is some kind of artificial sound enhancement?
Be happy and skip the thread.

Don’t blame your inability on subpar equipment

 

[Fruitstang]

You make no sense and need to see a shrink.

 

[Zig]

You make no sense and need to see a shrink.

Why are you ‘faking’ it?

 

[Luis S.]

The electronic exhaust is definitely there , I've owned several S550 and they did not sound like this .

 

[Zig]

The electronic exhaust is definitely there , I've owned several S550 and they did not sound like this .

Did they have dual throttle bodies?

 

[bbowes9]

it ain't that deep y'all.

 

[Luis S.]

Did they have dual throttle bodies?

No but they had Whipple and active exhaust . The sound comes from the speakers , Ford tech verified, audio shop verified , Ford tech support verified . The ford tech support person advised me to use Forscan to disable as most dealers will not disable while under warranty.
You can go on the Ford site and start a chat with a tech support person, ask them about the Engine sound enhancement/ Fake exhaust sound through the speakers .

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