2024 Dark Horse Handling Package - Tire Change

[DRKKNITE]

I don’t know how it could be possible to beat the factory Dark Horse HP setup. I really don’t. If one cannot deal with the fairly frequent Trofeo RS replacement cost and a tiny (no kidding, not much) bit of tramlining the HP Dark Horse wasn’t the right decision for you to start with. I wouldn’t try to outguess the factory engineers in this case; you cannot!

I'm afraid to tell you that this post offered no information at all except an attempt to make someone feel bad for their decision. No value whatsoever. It's all over the net about how these tires wear out fast and yes, as much as it is a track ready car, who is going to drive 5000 miles on a track. A little bit of tramlining? It could be the roads here but again, well described by many as almost undriveable at times. Not everyone will like spending $3000.00 or more on tires every 5k miles, to drive on brutally maintained roads and highways. Also these tires are fairly new to the Mustang line and that decision likely had very little to do with factory engineering.

Thanks for you input

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[young at heart]

I'm afraid to tell you that this post offered no information at all except an attempt to make someone feel bad for their decision. No value whatsoever. It's all over the net about how these tires wear out fast and yes, as much as it is a track ready car, who is going to drive 5000 miles on a track. A little bit of tramlining? It could be the roads here but again, well described by many as almost undriveable at times. Not everyone will like spending $3000.00 or more on tires every 5k miles, to drive on brutally maintained roads and highways. Also these tires are fairly new to the Mustang line and that decision likely had very little to do with factory engineering.

Thanks for you input

How one chooses to feel is up to himself. And internet discussion is by nature centered around opinion, which is what I offered up. I’m in no way offended if you choose to ignore it.

I will say something as important as standard tire fitment almost certainly had to have high level engineering sign off. But I don’t work for Ford.

 

[smurfslayer]

LOL, they start out with only 6/32 of an inch of tread. That is 3/16" - not even a quarter inch. 50% gone at 5000 km is pretty decent, considering it is a 180 Treadwear tire.

There is no emergency to replace it.

I have over 4000 miles on mine, (about 6500 kilometers), including 2.5 hours of track time, and mine still grip once they are warmed up. They are slippery when cold, but they have always been like that, slipping all over before the sun comes up, when the asphalt and tires are cold, and I drive a little too hard from a standing start while turning the wheel . . . lol

Holy F***. What is your definition of “once they’re warmed up”? I ask because I couldn’t go hard at all on my Trofeos once I hit about 2500 miles on the tires. For context, I bought in July, in Texas. The ride home was over 100F and the tires went through summer to late September ( so still summer ) for about 1500 miles and stuck great. At 1800, about 2 weeks into October, it wasn’t sticking as well but still very controllable. By mid November it was about 2200 miles and highs still in the 80’s, lows ... maybe 60’s... take offs were frustrating- dry, wet, cold or warm tires.

I never even made it to the track with them but mine were shagged at 3300 miles, it was just not controllable anymore. I know in max effort stopping, the Trofeos did offer a slight improvement over the PS4S but that’s about as much as I can say about the performance difference.

I’m not in anyway discounting your numbers or results, but I would appreciate some extra context for comparison. I’ve definitely had motorcycle tires that took a bit of time to warm up, I remember riding my old Ducati into work at 17F on the bank thermometer, and I spun like crazy everywhere and had to tip-toe into work. But my Trofeos were slippery everywhere, all the time after about 2500 miles.

 

[DRKKNITE]

How one chooses to feel is up to himself. And internet discussion is by nature centered around opinion, which is what I offered up. I’m in no way offended if you choose to ignore it.

I will say something as important as standard tire fitment almost certainly had to have high level engineering sign off. But I don’t work for Ford.

I'm having a rough day, sorry to go off on you.

 

[MCS]

I'm also in Ontario @DRKKNITE and not too far away from you.

Yes, the roads are shit here; that's our tax dollars at work for you.
Yes, the car tramlines but only a VERY little bit and it is partly due to the roads and partly due to it being a 305 tire.

Your back tires are fine at 315 (I've run both 315/30R19 and 315/35R20 on my DH with HP)

As for the front; I've run a 285/35R20 (NT555 G2) and a 305/30R19 (Michelin Pilot Sport 4S) on the front and didn't notice much difference between the 285 and the 305 on the street.

Honestly, if you are not trying to be the next Misha of Ontario then you will be fine either size on the street.

That being said, for the love of god get rid of the Trofeo to something that will last longer than 5000km (or 4000 if you drive in Brampton).

 

[DRKKNITE]

I'm also in Ontario @DRKKNITE and not too far away from you.

Yes, the roads are shit here; that's our tax dollars at work for you.
Yes, the car tramlines but only a VERY little bit and it is partly due to the roads and partly due to it being a 305 tire.

Your back tires are fine at 315 (I've run both 315/30R19 and 315/35R20 on my DH with HP)

As for the front; I've run a 285/35R20 (NT555 G2) and a 305/30R19 (Michelin Pilot Sport 4S) on the front and didn't notice much difference between the 285 and the 305 on the street.

Honestly, if you are not trying to be the next Misha of Ontario then you will be fine either size on the street.

That being said, for the love of god get rid of the Trofeo to something that will last longer than 5000km (or 4000 if you drive in Brampton).

Hey MCS thanks for your reply. I have quite the dilemma finding 4 tires at the original configuration. I have found Continental Extreme Sport Contact 2 but the rears I can find are 325. Can't seem to confirm if those will fit well and handle well. They have the fronts at 305. I can't even see Continental makes a 315.

Do now if the Continental 325 would work?
Or would you run all 4 Continental at 305?

I'll keep looking but if you have any places that might have the Michelin's PS4S I'd appreciate it.

 

[MCS]

Hey MCS thanks for your reply. I have quite the dilemma finding 4 tires at the original configuration. I have found Continental Extreme Sport Contact 2 but the rears I can find are 325. Can't seem to confirm if those will fit well and handle well. They have the fronts at 305. I can't even see Continental makes a 315.

Do now if the Continental 325 would work?
Or would you run all 4 Continental at 305?

I'll keep looking but if you have any places that might have the Michelin's PS4S I'd appreciate it.

You may have to order special and wait. We are coming to the end of the season here in Ontario anyways (mine goes to sleep first week of November every year) so you aren't going to get a lot of seat time with anything you get put on.

Many tire companies North of the Wall don't stock performance tires at the end of the season cause it's invisible debt that sits on a rack for 6 months.

 

[DRKKNITE]

You may have to order special and wait. We are coming to the end of the season here in Ontario anyways (mine goes to sleep first week of November every year) so you aren't going to get a lot of seat time with anything you get put on.

Many tire companies North of the Wall don't stock performance tires at the end of the season cause it's invisible debt that sits on a rack for 6 months.

THanks for your replies. SO here is a dumb question. I received a quote from Black Circle:
MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S 305/30 ZR19 102Y - 2 * $792.97

MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S 315/30 R19 104Y - 2 * $606.00

- Why would the Smaller front tires be ZR and the Rear be R.
- Is there a difference and can I mix the two between front and back
- Why would the fronts be more expensive?

Sorry I'm not very tire literate. LOL

 

[MCS]

THanks for your replies. SO here is a dumb question. I received a quote from Black Circle:
MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S 305/30 ZR19 102Y - 2 * $792.97

MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S 315/30 R19 104Y - 2 * $606.00

- Why would the Smaller front tires be ZR and the Rear be R.
- Is there a difference and can I mix the two between front and back
- Why would the fronts be more expensive?

Sorry I'm not very tire literate. LOL

Sounds like black circle bought from another supplier then marked up their percentage for profit. That could explain why the fronts are more expensive. Availability could also play a factory in it.

As for mixing and matching; Your wheel offsets are specific to the placement on the car.

If you are wanting the ability to swap tires for wear a square setup is more your thing.

As for the ZR vs R. ZR is a speed rating for cars over 149 mph where R is a radial without a speed rating.

I’m sure Google could give a better explanation that mine. My knowledge of compounds is limited to soft or hard lol

 

[DRKKNITE]

Sounds like black circle bought from another supplier then marked up their percentage for profit. That could explain why the fronts are more expensive. Availability could also play a factory in it.

As for mixing and matching; Your wheel offsets are specific to the placement on the car.

If you are wanting the ability to swap tires for wear a square setup is more your thing.

I meant mixing a ZR tire with a Z tire. Aren't they the same thing?

 

[MCS]

I meant mixing a ZR tire with a Z tire. Aren't they the same thing?

see my edit above. Am at work so you are responding faster than I can type on my phone. BuffDaddyHQ isn’t my day job lol

 

[DRKKNITE]

see my edit above. Am at work so you are responding faster than I can type on my phone. BuffDaddyHQ isn’t my day job lol

LOL, no worries I appreciate your time. Sounds like I could mix them but the R would be cheaper. They don't have any in stock.

Like you suggested I may wait for Spring. I just wanted the new tires to see if the ride changed enough that I would enjoy it.

Thanks again,

 

[Sofa King]

THanks for your replies. SO here is a dumb question. I received a quote from Black Circle:
MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S 305/30 ZR19 102Y - 2 * $792.97

MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S 315/30 R19 104Y - 2 * $606.00

- Why would the Smaller front tires be ZR and the Rear be R.
- Is there a difference and can I mix the two between front and back
- Why would the fronts be more expensive?

Sorry I'm not very tire literate. LOL

The R tire is likely an oem tire size... they are often not given the ZR designation though the speed rating is usually the same (both are Y rated).

 

[MCS]

The R tire is likely an oem tire size... they are often not given the ZR designation though the speed rating is usually the same (both are Y rated).

Triggered my memory. I recall something about Y being a new rating designation and that Z AND ZR are older styles? I believe you are correct in that Z and ZR both now fall under Y?

 

[Sofa King]

Triggered my memory. I recall something about Y being a new rating designation and that Z AND ZR are older styles? I believe you are correct in that Z and ZR both now fall under Y?

The speed rating is in the other number... 102Y or 104Y...

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