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[Zig]

Ever have an album skip at one point in a song while listening to it as a teenager? Then 40 years later that song comes on the radio and you still cringe waiting for that skip?

That…lol.

Haven’t found myself suffering from that but I do find myself listening more closely each time they play dire straits money for nothing, though.

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[Alex381]

Which is why cars with S/S usually have AGM batteries or uprated batteries which don't fail earlier (actually last longer)

Remember hybrids you cannot turn off S/S as that is how they work.

True, but hybrids are running off the high voltage battery while the motor is off. So while the engine and starter will be just fine thanks to all the upgrades, you’re still putting a ton of extra cycles on the low voltage battery. While it’s a significantly better battery, it won’t last as long as a normal battery in a car without ASS. My personal opinion is having the beefed up hardware but disabling the ASS is the best combination.

 

[Gregs24]

True, but hybrids are running off the high voltage battery while the motor is off. So while the engine and starter will be just fine thanks to all the upgrades, you’re still putting a ton of extra cycles on the low voltage battery. While it’s a significantly better battery, it won’t last as long as a normal battery in a car without ASS. My personal opinion is having the beefed up hardware but disabling the ASS is the best combination.

Most hybrids don't use the 12v battery to start the engine, they use the HV battery and the electric motor / transmission.

Cars with S/S have better 12v batteries which if anything last longer than non S/S cars

As mentioned it is all a bit of a blind alley really as conventional ICE with S/S has a limited future with mild and full hybrids becoming the norm.

 

[FrostyOne]

New to the group so maybe this has been discussed (if so, I couldn’t find it.) I’m not a mechanical engineer but I feel like the stop/start feature in normal mode can’t be good for the car. Is this just some EPA bs that’s now required or does it really help with MPG? Does is hurt the motor/starter? 99% of my driving is stop light to stop light so it activates quite a lot on even a short drive. One kinda interesting note is it only “stops” for a short time when the AC is on, but seems like it’ll stay “stopped” forever with the AC and seat coolers off. I understand why, but with the AC on, it really seems pointless to turn itself off for 15-20 seconds. Also, it seems like the start up is kinda violent sometimes. Like the whole car feels like it jumped a bit. I learned to release the brake and not hit the gas pretty quickly but I don’t even know if this is a good feature. Thank you for your insight. Also, thanks to everyone that recommended good cleaning supplies on my last post.

I too am fairly new to this forum, have had my 2024 DH for about 11 months now. I made the best choice about the automatic start/stop feature when ordering my car.

I ordered it with the 6 speed Tremec, no remote rev feature, or remote start... I can live without those features, but more importantly a.s/s is not included with manual transmission vehicles.

Row your own is the way to go. Only way I would have gone with an automatic is if they had offered the dual clutch Tremec that was in the GT500. Now if Ford adds the DCT as an option in a future model year, I may be persuaded to order a new car.

However you drive your car, just get out and enjoy the sounds of that ICE because society seems to be set on these stupid full electric vehicles.

As for my opinion on a.s/s I disable it every time I get into my wife's Lincoln. Things may be beefed up to handle the extra loads that a.s/s adds but all that means is more expensive to replace when they do wear out.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

I too am fairly new to this forum, have had my 2024 DH for about 11 months now. I made the best choice about the automatic start/stop feature when ordering my car.

I ordered it with the 6 speed Tremec, no remote rev feature, or remote start... I can live without those features, but more importantly a.s/s is not included with manual transmission vehicles.

Row your own is the way to go. Only way I would have gone with an automatic is if they had offered the dual clutch Tremec that was in the GT500. Now if Ford adds the DCT as an option in a future model year, I may be persuaded to order a new car.

However you drive your car, just get out and enjoy the sounds of that ICE because society seems to be set on these stupid full electric vehicles.

As for my opinion on a.s/s I disable it every time I get into my wife's Lincoln. Things may be beefed up to handle the extra loads that a.s/s adds but all that means is more expensive to replace when they do wear out.

Lol. ASS isn't included on any 2024 job 1 mustang.

 

[Gregs24]

Lol. ASS isn't included on any 2024 job 1 mustang.

Indeed it started in Job 2 for the US but not at the start of Job 2 as far as I can remember. There are other changes such as the 10R80 transmission oil pump that are different with S/S

 

[Frogdog1]

I sure hope AS/S is the biggest issue I have with my Mustang!! I read where the EPA is doing away with the requirements. That would be amazing for that group.

 

[Gregs24]

I sure hope AS/S is the biggest issue I have with my Mustang!! I read where the EPA is doing away with the requirements. That would be amazing for that group.

Looks like the EPA are doing away with the fuel credits in the US. I doubt carmakers will change much as the systems are required elsewhere in the world plus political fads change very quickly in the US, far quicker than car design lead times.

 

[Starship Enterprise]

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Exactly! Every 4 years the mandates change and car manufacturers are constantly chasing their own tail.

 

[Frogdog1]

Looks like the EPA are doing away with the fuel credits in the US. I doubt carmakers will change much as the systems are required elsewhere in the world plus political fads change very quickly in the US, far quicker than car design lead times.

So, just how quick do you think it should take to design a new car? It doesn't take nearly as long as it used to with CAD/CAM and other design tools and procedures, from inception to a new car for sale on the dealer floor.

 

[Starship Enterprise]

Designing a new car takes 2-5 years, plus they have to certify it with crash test data, EPA numbers, etc.

A refresh or modification takes much less time.

 

[Frogdog1]

Designing a new car takes 2-5 years, plus they have to certify it with crash test data, EPA numbers, etc.

A refresh or modification takes much less time.

I'm well aware of that having been over a leading Tier 1 supplier to Ford and helping them with new vehicle design and introduction. They would never get a new vehicle introduced to the marketplace without help from their key suppliers the way they bungle things. I wanted to see what Gregs24 thinking was since he is the all knowing knowledge source.

 

[Gregs24]

So, just how quick do you think it should take to design a new car? It doesn't take nearly as long as it used to with CAD/CAM and other design tools and procedures, from inception to a new car for sale on the dealer floor.

It isn't just design it is the practicality. The 10R80 was modified for stop start cars, do they really want to fit two different versions of the transmission knowing that export models still need it? What happens next year when the Mid-terms show a potential change of direction again? Car makers cannot waste money on political whims especially when the details of what one person has said are far from clear anyway.

Renault have reduced the design time for their cars from 48 months to 21 months recently which is industry leading. Having said that much of the work is on a shared platform which speeds things up considerably.

 

[Frogdog1]

It isn't just design it is the practicality. The 10R80 was modified for stop start cars, do they really want to fit two different versions of the transmission knowing that export models still need it? What happens next year when the Mid-terms show a potential change of direction again? Car makers cannot waste money on political whims especially when the details of what one person has said are far from clear anyway.

Renault have reduced the design time for their cars from 48 months to 21 months recently which is industry leading. Having said that much of the work is on a shared platform which speeds things up considerably.

Uh huh, and Renault builds some of the worst quality crap cars on the planet. They can't make it selling cars in the U. S. They tried and failed long ago just as Fiat has. So it looks like it boils down the the 10R80 automatic transmission and politics in your world when it comes to car design time. That's a pretty tight stretch indicating you have no idea about what goes on in car design, LOL!

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Suddenly we got two experts on car design time, and one is starting to get salty.

Aren't we talking about ASS here? Lol

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