GTD Weight Revealed

[9secondko]

I told myself I would ignor this thread but, Seriously,

10pages long and 1/2 are you complaining ... Give it a rest already.

The S650 and whatever facelifts it'll get, will run til 2029 so either buy one or don't ...



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Thanks for your tremendous and insightful contribution gram.

If you hurry, I think you’ll still be in time for your Bonanza reruns.

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[Cauf E. Bean]

turns out it’s just another SC s650 with the suspension from the 2015 Camaro z28 Bolton on. Gets the ring lapped just barely under 7, so that’s something at least. But not at all what the hype seemed to be. Multiwas all but guaranteeing it would surpass the gt3. Nope.

There is a ton of ignorance in this statement. Just another SC s650... 2015 Camaro z28 bolton... just barely under 7. The (fastest) Porsche GT3 Ring time is only 12.837 seconds faster than the GTD's MAIDEN RUN, and the GT3 (5th Fastest Production car lap time ever, btw) has how many generations built and trained on that track, specifically? I mean, the Porsche moniker only shows up 10 times in the top 20 spots, but yah - you're right - how horrible Ford did... They should hide their head in shame.

I guess offense might happen whether I've intended it or not - but pull your head out. Your statements are some of the most idiotic things I've read on this forum.

Just for Ships and Galleons, why don't you go look at the top Nurburgring lap times - you won't find another US Manufacturer in the top 20. That doesn't happen until the Dodge Viper, an 8.4 L V10, that placed #22 (a PHENOMENAL achievement in a naturally aspirated, manual, rear wheel driven death trap without a lick of computer controls), nor will you find another US Manufactured auto in the top 30.

To round out the American makers in the top 100 time frames:
There's another Viper in slots numbers 36 and 58.
Chevrolet shows up for the first time with a Corvette in ranking #39 (also #55, #59, #75, #91) and later again with a Camaro ZL1 in at #45 (also #89).
Oh, and Tesla? Yah, the first appearance shows up at number 74 (and then not again until #128).

So, the difference between the FASTEST Corvette Nurburgring time (39th fastest time ranked) and the ONLY Mustang GTD (15th fastest time ranked) was 16.215 seconds. The difference between the second fastest Corvette (#55) and the GTD is almost as much as the difference between the GTD and the Fastest Car On the List (AMG-One).

The GTD is a beast at any weight.

 

[9secondko]

There is a ton of ignorance in this statement. Just another SC s650... 2015 Camaro z28 bolton... just barely under 7. The (fastest) Porsche GT3 Ring time is only 12.837 seconds faster than the GTD's MAIDEN RUN, and the GT3 (5th Fastest Production car lap time ever, btw) has how many generations built and trained on that track, specifically? I mean, the Porsche moniker only shows up 10 times in the top 20 spots, but yah - you're right - how horrible Ford did... They should hide their head in shame.

I guess offense might happen whether I've intended it or not - but pull your head out. Your statements are some of the most idiotic things I've read on this forum.

Just for Ships and Galleons, why don't you go look at the top Nurburgring lap times - you won't find another US Manufacturer in the top 20. That doesn't happen until the Dodge Viper, an 8.4 L V10, that placed #22 (a PHENOMENAL achievement in a naturally aspirated, manual, rear wheel driven death trap without a lick of computer controls), nor will you find another US Manufactured auto in the top 30.

To round out the American makers in the top 100 time frames:
There's another Viper in slots numbers 36 and 58.
Chevrolet shows up for the first time with a Corvette in ranking #39 (also #55, #59, #75, #91) and later again with a Camaro ZL1 in at #45 (also #89).
Oh, and Tesla? Yah, the first appearance shows up at number 74 (and then not again until #128).

So, the difference between the FASTEST Corvette Nurburgring time (39th fastest time ranked) and the ONLY Mustang GTD (15th fastest time ranked) was 16.215 seconds. The difference between the second fastest Corvette (#55) and the GTD is almost as much as the difference between the GTD and the Fastest Car On the List (AMG-One).

The GTD is a beast at any weight.

yeah guy. Everyone’s seen the fastest list for the ring. And no, that wasn’t the first run for a Mustang. or for multimatic, who actually built the car. The difference for most of those cars is that they were regular OEM cars. Not one-offs, meant specifically to excel at the ring. That’s the ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE GTD.

all the rest was pure drivel and distraction from the point.

the GTD was made to beat the GT3 RS which beats the GTD handily. You act like 12-13 seconds is some small matter. It’s massive.

if the GTD wore a gt500 badge and was priced accordingly, then it would be a serious feat for Ford and for Mustangs.

but it”s built by the folks that gave us the Ford GT and is priced to match. It’s entire reason for existing is to beat the GT3 RS, which is well under 7 minutes time to complete a lap at the ring.

it didn’t beat the GT3 RS. End of. And the GT3 RS is cheaper.

hopefully they can get closer this year.

 

[robvas]

Especially when the 2024 Mustang GT Premiums weigh in at 3832 with an automatic trans. I don't see how they'd have added 500 pounds on accident.

They added 300lbs to make the GT500 so how is that so hard to believe?

 

[Rocket Man]

so, how many sources have we seen to confirm the GTD weight? If only one so far i think we should wait until someone else confirms the earlier posted weight.

 

[young at heart]

so, how many sources have we seen to confirm the GTD weight? If only one so far i think we should wait until someone else confirms the earlier posted weight.

I‘m sure thinking this right here would be a really good idea.

 

[MaddNomad]

so, how many sources have we seen to confirm the GTD weight? If only one so far i think we should wait until someone else confirms the earlier posted weight.

Whenever they post the official weight at least we’re prepared if it’s the same and if it’s lighter that’s awesome too.

 

[Bikeman315]

Whenever they post the official weight at least we’re prepared if it’s the same and if it’s lighter that’s awesome too.

@Epiphany confirmed the weight over on M6G.

 

[Cauf E. Bean]

the GTD was made to beat the GT3 RS which beats the GTD handily. You act like 12-13 seconds is some small matter. It’s massive.

The Porsche 911 GT3 series has had several iterations tested on the Nürburgring Nordschleife. The GTD has had ONE Testable opportunity to set a time, and that first attempt was sub 7 min. You make it sound like the GT3 was born with sub 7 min pedigree. It wasn't. Below is a summary of the track-tested versions of the GT3 and their lap times:

1. Porsche 996 GT3 (2001)
   • Lap Time: ~7:56
   • The first iteration of the GT3, this car marked the beginning of Porsche’s dedicated track-focused 911 models.
2. Porsche 997 GT3 (2006)
   • Lap Time: ~7:40
   • Gains seen in terms of aerodynamics, handling, and performance.
3. Porsche 997.2 GT3 (2009)
   • Lap Time: ~7:32
   • Improved upon the previous model with a more powerful engine and better chassis.
4. Porsche 991 GT3 (2013)
   • Lap Time: ~7:30
   • The first to feature a PDK transmission exclusively, resulting in better performance and lap times.
5. Porsche 991.2 GT3 (2017)
   • Lap Time: ~7:12
   • Another iterative, but major leap forward in lap times, attributed to updates in aerodynamics, engine management, and handling.
6. Porsche 992 GT3 (2021)
   • Lap Time: ~6:59
   • The latest iteration of the GT3, bringing advanced aerodynamics and a naturally aspirated 4.0L engine that helped it break the 7-minute barrier.
7. Porsche 992 GT3 RS (2022)
   • Lap Time: ~6:49
   • The more extreme version of the 992 GT3, featuring enhanced aerodynamics and a more track-focused setup.

Each version of the GT3 has seen generational improvements in both power and handling, contributing to faster lap times on the Nürburgring. Those 'trivial seconds' between the 2021 GT3 and the 2022 GT3 RS were, actually and apparently, a small matter since Porsche was able to tackle them with better aero and a track-focused tweaks.
We're not even out of diapers with the GTD yet - so yah, it's more expensive (Ford has to recoup development costs) and yah, it missed beating the GT3, which according to reports, completed over 50 laps of the Nürburgring before achieving the record lap. The 2025 Ford Mustang GTD attempted three official laps of the Nürburgring in 2024. All three laps were under seven minutes, with the record-setting lap time of 6:57.685.

You act like Ford and MultiM are done and have nothing left to give after their first shot was fired. SMDH...

 

[9secondko]

The Porsche 911 GT3 series has had several iterations tested on the Nürburgring Nordschleife. The GTD has had ONE Testable opportunity to set a time, and that first attempt was sub 7 min. You make it sound like the GT3 was born with sub 7 min pedigree. It wasn't. Below is a summary of the track-tested versions of the GT3 and their lap times:

1. Porsche 996 GT3 (2001)
   • Lap Time: ~7:56
   • The first iteration of the GT3, this car marked the beginning of Porsche’s dedicated track-focused 911 models.
2. Porsche 997 GT3 (2006)
   • Lap Time: ~7:40
   • Gains seen in terms of aerodynamics, handling, and performance.
3. Porsche 997.2 GT3 (2009)
   • Lap Time: ~7:32
   • Improved upon the previous model with a more powerful engine and better chassis.
4. Porsche 991 GT3 (2013)
   • Lap Time: ~7:30
   • The first to feature a PDK transmission exclusively, resulting in better performance and lap times.
5. Porsche 991.2 GT3 (2017)
   • Lap Time: ~7:12
   • Another iterative, but major leap forward in lap times, attributed to updates in aerodynamics, engine management, and handling.
6. Porsche 992 GT3 (2021)
   • Lap Time: ~6:59
   • The latest iteration of the GT3, bringing advanced aerodynamics and a naturally aspirated 4.0L engine that helped it break the 7-minute barrier.
7. Porsche 992 GT3 RS (2022)
   • Lap Time: ~6:49
   • The more extreme version of the 992 GT3, featuring enhanced aerodynamics and a more track-focused setup.

Each version of the GT3 has seen generational improvements in both power and handling, contributing to faster lap times on the Nürburgring. Those 'trivial seconds' between the 2021 GT3 and the 2022 GT3 RS were, actually and apparently, a small matter since Porsche was able to tackle them with better aero and a track-focused tweaks.
We're not even out of diapers with the GTD yet - so yah, it's more expensive (Ford has to recoup development costs) and yah, it missed beating the GT3, which according to reports, completed over 50 laps of the Nürburgring before achieving the record lap. The 2025 Ford Mustang GTD attempted three official laps of the Nürburgring in 2024. All three laps were under seven minutes, with the record-setting lap time of 6:57.685.

You act like Ford and MultiM are done and have nothing left to give after their first shot was fired. SMDH...

Wrong again. And all tje drivel afterward thst had nothing to do with ford not doing enough with. A 325-400+k car.

I said the Gtd was born to beat the gt3rs. It’s what it was made to do. And still somehow missed.

There is just no getting around thst, no matter how many OTHER cars you talk about, lists you copy, or subjects you change.

 

[Katastrophe]

Not to intentionally stoke the flames here, but let's not forget that the GT350 was also developed at the 'Ring...and that was well before it's debut as a 2015 model. Ford has history there...they've been running laps/testing there for well over a decade on their performance models.

To be fair to the GTD program, though...they 100% need to return and run laps in more ideal conditions.

 

[Bikeman315]

Not to intentionally stoke the flames here, but let's not forget that the GT350 was also developed at the 'Ring...and that was well before it's debut as a 2015 model. Ford has history there...they've been running laps/testing there for well over a decade on their performance models.

Former knowledge at a racetrack means absolutely nothing in the present. Just look at F1 motor racing. Tracks change from practice one to practice two to qualifying to race day. Anything learned by Ford pre 2015 would be useless today.

 

[Katastrophe]

Former knowledge at a racetrack means absolutely nothing in the present. Just look at F1 motor racing. Tracks change from practice one to practice two to qualifying to race day. Anything learned by Ford pre 2015 would be useless today.

I respectfully disagree 100% with that statement.

Lessons learned (or AAR's for us in that sector) are absolutely transferrable. Keep in mind that Ford didn't go to the 'Ring with the GT350 and just throw out all of their knowledge gained...they clearly transferred that to ALL S550 and S650 Mustangs. The trickle-down from the GT350 to the PP2 and EB HPP to the M1 to the DH to the GT500 CFTP is VERY noticeable. This wouldn't have happened without lessons learned from the 'Ring testing. Data-logging isn't just thrown out...it provides an excellent starting position. Using another Military example, this is why the worlds best marksman use a thing called DOPE (data on previous engagements)...which coincidentally, is trickling down to civilians who just want to become more efficient hunters.

Using the F1 example, these teams do the same thing. They start the weekend with a baseline setup, gained from past experience at the track with the car AND with the driver...hence why certain drivers/cars work better at some tracks than others. Not only that, but because various tracks during the year have very similar qualities, these teams can extrapolate where they are going to be strong and perform well based on past results. Hence the pre-season testing in Spain...it's well known that if your car is strong at Barcelona-Catalunya, it will perform well everywhere. Obviously there are always going to be outliers, but the fact remains...that course provides many high and low speed corners and changes that provide immense data for the teams.

As for a GP weekend...they don't just show up with a car and start from scratch...they have literal pages of info at their disposal on which to start with. After that, each FP session is used as a 'testing' session...the balance to find outright speed (qualifying) vs long run pace. In short, they're going to take risks and try things...if they pay off, sweet...if not, they go back to default settings. Of course weather, ambient/track temps, tire compounds and all other factors can affect this...but these teams already take that into account.

 

[Cauf E. Bean]

I said the Gtd was born to beat the gt3rs. It’s what it was made to do. And still somehow missed.

Yet no one said they had to do it on their first attempt - and that is my simple point, with lists supporting that this is exactly the same path that every other car on the list has travelled.

Best in all, J

 

[Bikeman315]

I respectfully disagree 100% with that statement.

Lessons learned (or AAR's for us in that sector) are absolutely transferrable. Keep in mind that Ford didn't go to the 'Ring with the GT350 and just throw out all of their knowledge gained...they clearly transferred that to ALL S550 and S650 Mustangs. The trickle-down from the GT350 to the PP2 and EB HPP to the M1 to the DH to the GT500 CFTP is VERY noticeable. This wouldn't have happened without lessons learned from the 'Ring testing. Data-logging isn't just thrown out...it provides an excellent starting position. Using another Military example, this is why the worlds best marksman use a thing called DOPE (data on previous engagements)...which coincidentally, is trickling down to civilians who just want to become more efficient hunters.

Using the F1 example, these teams do the same thing. They start the weekend with a baseline setup, gained from past experience at the track with the car AND with the driver...hence why certain drivers/cars work better at some tracks than others. Not only that, but because various tracks during the year have very similar qualities, these teams can extrapolate where they are going to be strong and perform well based on past results. Hence the pre-season testing in Spain...it's well known that if your car is strong at Barcelona-Catalunya, it will perform well everywhere. Obviously there are always going to be outliers, but the fact remains...that course provides many high and low speed corners and changes that provide immense data for the teams.

As for a GP weekend...they don't just show up with a car and start from scratch...they have literal pages of info at their disposal on which to start with. After that, each FP session is used as a 'testing' session...the balance to find outright speed (qualifying) vs long run pace. In short, they're going to take risks and try things...if they pay off, sweet...if not, they go back to default settings. Of course weather, ambient/track temps, tire compounds and all other factors can affect this...but these teams already take that into account.

Yes, I agree. I think I was being a little over encompassing when I said “absolutely nothing“. But this comment is what I was getting at.

Of course weather, ambient/track temps, tire compounds and all other factors can affect this.

The GTD on its first run did amazingly well. Hopefully everything that was learned on that run will prove useful in improving their times next time out.

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