A punchy EV Mustang GT coupe on a new platform with semi solid state or solid state battery - yes please. No need to go silly on power, 500PS is perfect, keep the weight down, nice aero for efficiency.
Whoa. almost 500hp, estimated 38min. fast charge... That’s close. but I’ll bet we need to dig a little further.
Did you mention Ford was a global company? ;-) Yes, it has been missed several times...I keep saying Ford is a global company but it doesn't seem to sink in for some people!In fact there are very few car companies that are not global now.
Your mission statement is at odds with itself. 500ps & keep the weight down.
How about a mustang EV with 250 hp for 30 grand? Leave the high price and high power to the V8, give both cars a reason to exist.
£30k or $30k will get you nothing, and certainly not 250PS. For £40k the best you can hope for is the Alpine A290 which looks like a cracking hot hatch later this year.
You keep using examples of companies or strategies that kinda failed their respective platforms. Camaro and Dodge are terrible inspirations because of the drama they have going on. I don’t see any positive reactions to recent rumors they have. (Other then the V8s possibly coming back to Stellantis)Here's the way I see it guys, the mustang is an icon, we don't need to throw everything about it out the window, we just need to amplify what's already there. The 5.0 is really good, so is the 10 speed, and so is the tremec. The chassis is solid, but could be better.
The overall shape and design details are good, I just want to see them taken to the next level. If it's gonna be 50 grand or more, the mustang coupe shouldn't be "That's pretty good looking" it should be heart stopping levels of gorgeous.
On the topic of an EV mustang, I don't see a real market for a full sized, 70 grand EV with 1,000 hp, the market is already saturated with those, and they don't sell because the only people who can afford them are boomers who are usually in the "never ev" crowd.
Young people want EVs, the dream car for most young people is a Tesla, because it's an EV that manages to be kinda good looking, and fun enough to drive. Ford's affordable upcoming vehicle platform is the perfect basis for it. Instead of making some 70 grand EV, make a 30 grand coupe that young people can afford far more easily, and make their own.
Branch mustang off into multiple models. Instead of having a single coupe that tries to be affordable and exotic at the same time, offer two models, one that specializes in being exotic and striking, and one that specializes in being the sports car for the masses.
With the Camaro rumored to return as an affordable EV, it's clear that's Chevy's approach with the Camaro/Corvette duo, I don't see why Ford can't do the same with mustang.
Chevy may have failed with the Camaro, but they objectively nailed the c8. The reason Dodge failed is again, they're trying to appeal to the very group that hates EVs the most, boomer dads, that's who buys 70 grand muscle and sports cars.
The fact that the title presumes we as customers can do anything to save our car is based in fantasy. And that’s fine. We can all hope, pray and dream. But reality checked itself out the of door.I do believe a bit of realism is required re car prices on this thread!
Well yeah but you used the Camaro as an example. Corvette always got priority at GM, even with things being cancelled so it didn’t bump heads with it. It also gained a lot of updates over the years GM essentially treated it like their 911.
The top one. Might as well get a Vette. The middle. I like that. The bottom one. Has Made in Italy all over it. What I say is make all options for present day Mustangs a stand alone. I try to get one thing I must get the Night Package with a black roof. Black roof on a beautiful paint job? Want the Perform package on the base model? Doesn't come with drift brake. GT Premium does. There's more, but I'm not going to break it down. It's why I got a Base GT with a Whipple SC. Not even a Dark Horse could touch me. Then you have the D-H. The Handling Package is optional. Which brings the thing close in price to the D-H premium. They all work this way. By the time you figure upgraded you're 2K from the next model. They should just make the 1) Ecoboost 2) GT and 3) Dark Horse. And make most the options available separately available to each model line. I'm going through options madness trying to get my daughter GT with a Whipple and certain options. But these options have the car 12K more expensive which is a few thousand short of the Dark Horse. You park that think and it'll be stolen in a flash.I know someone is gonna say "Bring back a 30 grand V8" but we need to be realistic, for a variety of reasons, that's not gonna happen, and even if it did, it wouldn't work. It didn't do much for the 6th Gen Camaro when they tried to offer a more affordable V8 trim.
From where I'm standing, we need to talk about how to make 50-60 grand feel like good value, rather than acting like Ford's gonna be able to cut the price of V8 mustangs in half. Here's what I thinking, the normal 2+ 2 is compromised, the backseat isn't big enough for most people, but it adds weight, cost, and comprise as a sports car.
I'm gonna get some hate for this, but I say offer a 4 door mustang sedan with a V8 to appeal to people who want muscle car looks and feel, with a far more practical backseat. Maybe even consider the idea of making that 4 door a wagon to boost practical appeal. Then make the coupe a 2 seater, longer hood, sexier, lower, less practical than the 2 + 2, but more seductive, more special feeling.
So now you have two models, instead of a compromised 2+2, you'd created a sedan, and a 2 seater sports car. So now instead of one compromised model, you have 2 distinct models that are both the best they can be. If they share a platform, you can distribute those develop costs across 100k or more units a year, instead of 40k units. This should help mustang prices stabilize hopefully.
Then, and yeah, you guys won't like this, but Ford's making a super affordable EV compact platform. It's a night and day difference compared to Ford's current EV platforms, and is being engineered by the guy who actually made profitable, kinda affordable EVs with the model 3, same head engineer.
I kinda see this platform as the new falcon platform, not super powerful or outlandish, but cheap, small, flexible. Why not build a smaller, cheaper electric mustang? This could be the mustang moment for younger people, who are generally more receptive to EVs by far, but don't have really many options for cool, affordable ones. Give it 250 hp or so, starting price on the high 20s or low 30s, tons of visual customizations from the factory.
A little bit of everything is my idea, keep the V8 two door, make it even more desirable, offer an awesome four door using the same platform to help get costs under control, and bring back the days of the cheap, fun, humble mustang in a way that will actually improve Ford's fuel economy average. I'm open to almost everything within reason, I love this car, I'm not just gonna give up on it because things are rough right now.
Feel free to share your ideas. Images below help to illustrate the ideas I'm talking about.
Sure you can build a $25k to $35k EV on that platform, exactly what it is for as you say. However it will be a 'supermini' like the Fiesta was and the new Renault 5 is. If you want a reasonable performance coupe you will need to be $40k to $50k, which is still fine. MG Cyberster shows what can be done in the performance coupe area, it would need to be much less than that for $40k.
