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Sorry, but I don't buy cars made by foreign OEMs. We discussed that before (and I'm not revisiting that conversation).

That said, I (and others) still have the right to complain about the imperfections with the Mustang. It's our money we're spending on it and this is America where we have that freedom of speech, after all...
My point is if you don’t like it, then don’t spend your money on it. Go get a Mach 1. And you’re right you live in America where the first amendment gives you the right to complain about anything and everything you want. But again no one is making you buy this model of car are they?
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My point is if you don’t like it, then don’t spend your money on it.
I don't care for some things about the S650, that's true (I think everyone can say the same thing). And it's also true that I don't appreciate you trying to shut down criticisms about it.

However, I never said I didn't like the S650.

It's an overall nice car (frankly, the poorly designed infotainment screen / dashboard is my only real complaint) and unfortunately there aren't many other options available for a unique buyer like myself who wants to buy from an American OEM but is also not interested in buying a SUV / Pickup / Crossover.

Furthermore, I am entitled to my opinion, I'm entitled to the right to express my opinion, and I'm not obligated to justify my opinion to you.
 
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I don't care for some things about the S650, that's true (I think everyone can say the same thing). And it's also true that I don't appreciate you trying to shut down criticisms about it about it.

However, I never said I didn't like the S650.

It's an overall nice car (frankly, the poorly designed infotainment screen / dashboard is my only real complaint) and unfortunately there aren't many other options available for a unique buyer like myself who wants to buy from an American OEM but is also not interested in buying a SUV / Pickup / Crossover.
What I never understood about people wanting to “buy American” is that the dealership already paid for the car. The foreign company already got their money
. So the only person hurt by this ideology is the American dealership worker trying to get a paycheck.
 

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the dealership already paid for the car. The foreign company already got their money
The dealership only pays for what their customers will pay for.

If customers didn't pay for it, the dealership wouldn't pay for it either.
 

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The dealership only pays for what their customers will pay for.

If customers didn't pay for it, the dealership wouldn't pay for it either.
That is not true at all. The dealership takes loans out on every car to cover the cost. That’s why units that Have sat on the lot longer get a bigger discount because the dealership is paying interest in that car with the bank till it sells. Why would you think an auto maker would give cars to dealers and say “pay us when you can”. Does pepsi tell Walmart that? No. Someone lied to you my friend
. It’s macroeconomics
 


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That is not true at all.
It is.

Plenty of customers obviously demand these vehicle made by foreign OEMs, so the dealer works in tandem with the foreign OEMs to make sure as many of them are available for sale as possible. Otherwise, they'd all be leaving plenty of money on the table and would go out of business.

The details of how the aforementioned process works is not relevant, as the basic concept is still the same.
 

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It is.

Plenty of customers obviously demand these vehicle made by foreign OEMs, so the dealer works in tandem with the foreign OEMs to make sure as many of them are available for sale as possible. Otherwise, they'd all be leaving plenty of money on the table and would go out of business.

The details of how the aforementioned process works is not relevant, as the basic concept is still the same.
Ok buddy you can think what you want. But speaking as someone who worked in dealerships for years I’m telling you that’s not how it’s done. You have someone with real world experience explaining the process to you, and you’re arguing that you’re right? Where’s the logic here? Dealerships are independently owned and operated. You think every dealership works deals out with Honda to pay for vehicles when they sell? So drive by a new Subaru dealership and count how many cars they have. Now multiply how many dealerships around the world outside of the country they are manufactured in, and you tell me how any auto manufacturer stays in business doing it your way if they don’t get paid till they sell. Seriously man that’s doozy of a conspiracy theory you got there.
 

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Ok buddy you can think what you want.
What exactly is unclear to you about the basic concept of supply & demand?

Your comment earlier was:

"the dealership already paid for the car. The foreign company already got their money"

The fact that dealers "already paid for" cars from foreign OEMs such as Honda is predicated on the likelihood that the dealer can easily sell them to customers who want to buy those cars. If customers didn't want to buy Hondas, then dealers wouldn't be buying for them from Honda to sell (and for that matter, dealers for foreign OEMs wouldn't exist).

The opposite of this concept applies as well. Since plenty of customers want to buy Hondas, there are plenty of dealers selling them.

BTW, I work in Supply Chain and I work in Automotive for an OEM. So I also know what I'm talking about. But not everything requires pedantry like you seem to believe.
 
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It may be best to gauge its functionality in-person, but no one's complaining about that

The cheap-looking and sloppily thrown-together design we see in the pictures, which is what we're actually complaining about, is going to be the same cheap-looking and sloppily thrown-together design that we see in-person.

And yes, there are some legitimate questions with respect to what extent the shitty desgn will effect functionality. But regardless of the impact to functionality, it's still a shitty design.
Blah Blah Blah..... you sound like a broken record skipping and repeating over and over
 

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What exactly is unclear to you about the basic concept of supply & demand?

Your comment earlier was:

"the dealership already paid for the car. The foreign company already got their money"

The fact that dealers "already paid for" cars from foreign OEMs such as Honda is predicated on the likelihood that the dealer can easily sell them to customers who want to buy those cars. If customers didn't want to buy Hondas, then dealers wouldn't be buying for them from Honda to sell (and for that matter, dealers for foreign OEMs wouldn't exist).
What exactly is unclear to you about the basic concept of supply & demand?

Your comment earlier was:

"the dealership already paid for the car. The foreign company already got their money"

The fact that dealers "already paid for" cars from foreign OEMs such as Honda is predicated on the likelihood that the dealer can easily sell them to customers who want to buy those cars. If customers didn't want to buy Hondas, then dealers wouldn't be buying for them from Honda to sell (and for that matter, dealers for foreign OEMs wouldn't exist).

The opposite of this concept applies as well. Since plenty of customers want to buy Hondas, there are plenty of dealers selling them.

BTW, I work in Supply Chain and I work in Automotive for an OEM. So I also know what I'm talking about. But not everything requires pedantry like you seem to believe.
i was explaining that dealers pay for these cars from the manufacturer. You argued that they didnt. I understand supply and demand. I also understand that the shear amount of boycotting that would have to happen against a foreign company would be astronomical. It also would hurt Americans who work at these dealerships and mechanics who went to school to fix these cars. You’re changing the scope of the discussion to suit your narrative. I’m done responding to you at this point. I was merely educating you on the flaw in your ideology. Pedantry aside, I prefer those enlighten those who are misguided in their information. Lest we forget knowledge is power. Take care my guy.
 

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You argued that they didnt.
I argued nothing of the sort.

I also understand that the shear amount of boycotting that would have to happen against a foreign company would be astronomical.
Obviously, I can't control what other buyers do, nor am I entitled to know their reasons for doing it. I can only control what I do and my reasons for doing it. That all should go without saying.

That said, there was nothing inaccurate about the concept I explained. You're just being pedantic about it.

It also would hurt Americans who work at these dealerships and mechanics who went to school to fix these cars.
That's a flawed zero-sum take.

The consumers wouldn't go anywhere and their demand for cars would still be there. They would just have to purchase their vehiches from other OEMs. The dealers would sell cars from other OEMs and the mechanics would work for the dealers of cars from other OEMs. In my ideal world, those other OEMs would be domestic (but, alas, it's not my world and I can't control that).
 
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I argued nothing of the sort.
The dealership only pays for what their customers will pay for.

If customers didn't pay for it, the dealership wouldn't pay for it either.
You either meant that dealers don’t pay for the cars until after they have sold, or you did a terrible job wording you’re intention that reduction in demand will result in less stock on US soil
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you did a terrible job wording you’re intention that reduction in demand will result in less stock on US soil
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My wording was fine.

Again, you're just being pedantic.
 

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I would even be willing to bet that 80% of people over the age of ~30 couldn't even tell you what "Unreal engine" or "Rocket League" even are
You do us 30s guys so wrong man! Maybe your comment would stick for people over 40.
Now, guys... Maybe 80% of the world's population over age 30/40 couldn't tell you, but in the US and probably most first-world countries? For software that has been used in games for at least 25 years? Which came out after people had already been gaming for a decade (Castle Wolfenstein?) on Ataris, Commodores, Apples, etc. It's strange to me that you think this is so exclusive to younger generations, but then younger generations often don't realize how much the older generations know. 😉
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