To Those Whippled… Better Traction with Auto or Manual?

[Junkyard Dog]

Thanks… I really appreciate that.

I am in my 50’s taking this car into retirement and have ZERO interest in racing it, hammering on it or driving it like a 15 year old boy anymore.

I simply want to enjoy having one of the last vestiges of a manual v8 and adding the “sort of factory” supercharger will set me up for the rest of my life and I can keep it pristine and hand it down to my son one day.

If it breaks, I’d love to be able to add the dark horse manual transmission - but right now I understand that’s mostly impossible due to software, tuning etc.

That sounds like it will be a very enjoyable car to drive. I am in my 50s like you, but unfortunately I still let my juvenile delinquent side take over sometimes. I do, however, track the car, although I cannot do that as much as I want to (only once so far)

Just make sure the son one day is older. I would have definitely wrecked a Mustang with the kind of power levels we are discussing as a younger man . . .

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[LouG]

Whenever I've nailed it to overtake from around 80 - 100kmh up to 160 plus, I've never had wheelspin on a dry road. AT.

 

[Frogdog1]

I can't answer your question since I'm not Whippled but anytime the wheels spin, you had better have the car pointed straight ahead or surprises await. How does anyone own a GT and not go "juvenile delinquent" at least occasionally?

 

[GrabberB]

Manual here with a Whipple. First gear breaks loose very easy. Second gear will break loose as the RPM's increase. Never broke loose in 3rd. I disable traction control 100%. I control spin with my right foot. I have the PP with summer tires yours might break loose easier. Edit added on 9/2 - I see the photo of your new car and now see you did get P.P. so your traction should be the same as mine.

FYI - I do not like how traction control handles the Whipple power.

 

[Stanzi]

Manual here with a Whipple. First gear breaks loose very easy. Second gear will break loose as the RPM's increase. Never broke loose in 3rd. I disable traction control 100%. I control spin with my right foot. I have the PP with summer tires yours might break loose easier.

FYI - I do not like how traction control handles the Whipple power.

Thanks- what does the traction control do that makes you not like how it delivers power?

 

[GrabberB]

Power delivery felt "jittery" with traction control on during WOT runs.

 

[Bob77]

Automatic, it‘ll Put down some impressive strips when you nail it but not as bad as I thought it would be. Nittos definitely help. Car stays very straight which at my age is a blessing. Much easier to handle than others I had. Currently thinking 4.09 gears That will create more wheel spin.

 

[LethalPerformance]

I doubt anybody reading here has owned both a Whipple powered manual and an A10R80 so as to be able to answer your question from actual experimentation and knowledge.

I have not owned either.

I seriously doubt that with over 800 horsepower you are going to have any sort of decent traction with either. My car already breaks the tires loose pretty badly when accelerating, even if I am trying to baby it until it gets moving and slowly roll into the throttle, and my car is just the way Ford designed it, with only 500 horsepower.

I own both and can say that the auto is much easier to launch with constancy over the manual. There's just too many variables with the manual that makes the auto stand out in the launch department.

 

[EgoBoost]

Owned several boosted manuals and autos. As mentioned, lots of variables influence wheel spin. Not running a sticky tire is the main cause. Driver error (gear selection/weather conditions/suspension deficiencies) is a close second.

My experience regarding your question: I’ve had A10’s get away from me unexpectedly when allowing the trans to select the kickdown gear during a WOT (driver error).

The long gearing in the MT-82D4 helps curb the torque shock to the tires. Suspension mods and proper gear selection has kept me heading in the right direction.

By the way, every MT-82 I’ve owned has held up to 1000hp “street” use.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

That’s crazy. When I was test driving them- that never happened regardless of how aggressive I was driving it (granted I did not drive it more aggressively than I would my own car so…)

Did you test drive while in Drag Mode?

 

[Stanzi]

No

 

[Stanzi]

Owned several boosted manuals and autos. As mentioned, lots of variables influence wheel spin. Not running a sticky tire is the main cause. Driver error (gear selection/weather conditions/suspension deficiencies) is a close second.

My experience regarding your question: I’ve had A10’s get away from me unexpectedly when allowing the trans to select the kickdown gear during a WOT (driver error).

The long gearing in the MT-82D4 helps curb the torque shock to the tires. Suspension mods and proper gear selection has kept me heading in the right direction.

By the way, every MT-82 I’ve owned has held up to 1000hp “street” use.

this is honestly what I was looking for, thank you.

I'm buying a 25 GT PP AE Manual - so this is what I was verifying that has been my experience in previous V8’s.

now for those damn recalls to get fixed.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

No

You are in for a fun surprise when you get that red car home.

 

[roket]

Getrag (Magna) has removed the page showing the MT 82 torque rating, and Ford does not publish it.
https://www.magna.com/en/235

BUT

This page used to say 360-500 nm depending (different builds for different applications). 500 nm is roughy 370 lb ft of torque.

Maybe they have increased the torque capacity since then? Your stock engine produces 415 lb ft of torque.

torque ratings get complicated because it's usually a certain torque at a specified vehicle weight, and that's the absolute max rating. for instance, Tremec rates the GT350R's config of TR-3160 to 429lb-ft@6614lbs. where it especially gets confusing is where the torque limit is for a lighter vehicle than the max. supposedly Getrag rated the MT-82 at 750lb-ft@8000lbs, but Getrag seems to exclude the clutch, so this is just the transmission internals itself. from by best searches, it looks like the 10R80 is capable of a max 800lb-ft@8800lbs

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