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I got my new Dark Horse with the handling package six weeks ago and have managed to put in only ~200 miles. It is not even broken in yet, and we are entering winter, which will make it hard to enjoy the car for the next few months.

The Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS tires that came with it, are ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer and then only on the track. In the cold of winter, at temperatures below 40, these tires become hard and brittle, lose traction, and can break like glass.

For this reason, I swapped them for Michelin Pilots Sport 4S which are also ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer. They also lose traction in low temperatures, but unlike the Pirellis, these Michelins will not break like glass and can be driven in temperatures as low as the mid 20s. I already drove them in 35 degrees, a temperature that would damage the Pirellis, and found them to be great. The traction was great and I had no problems. Sure, traction in winter may not be at track-level, but it is good enough for normal driving in cold temperatures without snow, and definitely better than the Pirellis. Also, these tires, unlike the Pirellis, can be driven in the wet, although I don't intend to ever drive in the rain.

So, the Pirellis, with only 150 miles on them, are now in my climate-controlled basement waiting for spring, when they will face the track. In the mean time, I will be driving the Dark Horse on the Michelins throughout nice, sunny, dry, and warmer winter days here in Southeaster Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43 winter days here in South Easter Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43.

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I’ll take the tires off your hands if spring comes around and you decide to stick with the PS4s
 


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FYI... the Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS, no matter where you keep them, no matter the miles on them, will start to get hard after a year. Same for all ultra high performance street tires. After that... they take longer and longer to get enough heat in them and get the traction up to normal.

And that's why it's very important to look at the manufacturing date on the replacement tires you purchase in the future (referring specifically to any of the ultra high performance street tires).

And this really sucks when you have expensive high-end cars that you don't put a lot of miles on.... you end up replacing tires that have 75% of the tread left lol
 

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I got my new Dark Horse with the handling package six weeks ago and have managed to put in only ~200 miles. It is not even broken in yet, and we are entering winter, which will make it hard to enjoy the car for the next few months.

The Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS tires that came with it, are ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer and then only on the track. In the cold of winter, at temperatures below 40, these tires become hard and brittle, lose traction, and can break like glass.

For this reason, I swapped them for Michelin Pilots Sport 4S which are also ultra-high-performance, track-focused tires meant to be driven only in summer. They also lose traction in low temperatures, but unlike the Pirellis, these Michelins will not break like glass and can be driven in temperatures as low as the mid 20s. I already drove them in 35 degrees, a temperature that would damage the Pirellis, and found them to be great. The traction was great and I had no problems. Sure, traction in winter may not be at track-level, but it is good enough for normal driving in cold temperatures without snow, and definitely better than the Pirellis. Also, these tires, unlike the Pirellis, can be driven in the wet, although I don't intend to ever drive in the rain.

So, the Pirellis, with only 150 miles on them, are now in my climate-controlled basement waiting for spring, when they will face the track. In the mean time, I will be driving the Dark Horse on the Michelins throughout nice, sunny, dry, and warmer winter days here in Southeaster Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43 winter days here in South Easter Pennsylvania where winter temperatures average around 43.

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I have a twin to your's. I had to drive to my tire guy. Unfortunately mine does not make house calls. I put on the michelins when my car had 100 kilometers on it.
 

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FYI... the Pirelli P Zero Trofeo RS, no matter where you keep them, no matter the miles on them, will start to get hard after a year. Same for all ultra high performance street tires. After that... they take longer and longer to get enough heat in them and get the traction up to normal.

And that's why it's very important to look at the manufacturing date on the replacement tires you purchase in the future (referring specifically to any of the ultra high performance street tires).

And this really sucks when you have expensive high-end cars that you don't put a lot of miles on.... you end up replacing tires that have 75% of the tread left lol
Spring is not so far away, though!
 

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Spring is not so far away, though!
Unfortunately... from Race slicks, to R compounds... to ultra high performance street tires.... all get hard over time, even just sitting there.

At least the R's and streets can run forever at high temps and sliding...

But it's still the same thing... use em or loose em....
 

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not sure why this is such a thing on this forum, the Trofeo is a track tire, the PS4S is still a summer only UHP Summer tire, still not designed for cold temps. They will still lose traction when the compound gets hard and still arent designed to flex in freezing temps and can crack.

if you want subzero (All season) Michelin UHP tires then its the PS4 AS you want

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Te...4S-vs-All-Season-4-vs-Michelin-X-Ice-Snow.htm
 

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I am satisfied with the Michelin Pilots Sport 4S tires I installed early in December, so far. BUT, on days like today, when it is 70° out, I really miss my Trofeo RS tires.

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I am swapping out my rear tires. I have original stock Pirellis. While my back tires are getting a liittle low at 17,000 mile (I don't burn them out), I have read many reviews of going to Michelin Pilots Sport 4S. I'll keep the front originals until they wear out.
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