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Oil Life at 0% After 300 Miles

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Nope. After tracking this is common. I've seen it in the S550s.
Interesting. I'd still rather go by time or miles since the car has no idea what the condition of the oil actually is or what oil is in it as it treats generic 5-20 and high dollar 20-50 the same.

I also wonder why the manual specifies an interval for track use instead of just sticking with the OLM
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Interesting. I'd still rather go by time or miles since the car has no idea what the condition of the oil actually is or what oil is in it as it treats generic 5-20 and high dollar 20-50 the same.

I also wonder why the manual specifies an interval for track use instead of just sticking with the OLM
True, the car doesn’t know the type of oil or its condition, but adjusting oil change intervals based on use is much more useful than just time or mileage. If I said I’m going to change every 3 months or 3k miles, I could have 8-10 track weekends on the car without an oil change, and hitch would not be good no matter the quality of oil.

The manual probably specifies a change intervals based on case someone is not using the monitor.
 

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Interesting. I'd still rather go by time or miles since the car has no idea what the condition of the oil actually is or what oil is in it as it treats generic 5-20 and high dollar 20-50 the same.

I also wonder why the manual specifies an interval for track use instead of just sticking with the OLM
Ummm the car IS going by time and miles. Its also going by RPM, oil pressure, and temp. So it does know what the condition of the oil is. It's all recorded in the computer.

Track use is very hard on oil. Its common knowledge that you change oil after extended track use. Even the manual recommends changing afterwards.
 

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Its also going by RPM, oil pressure, and temp. So it does know what the condition of the oil is. It's all recorded in the computer.
The car still doesn't really know the condition of the oil. It's just guessing. The same use with one oil isn't going to be in the same condition as the exact same use with another oil.

Ummm the car IS going by time and miles.
Track use is very hard on oil. Its common knowledge that you change oil after extended track use. Even the manual recommends changing afterwards.
I know that - they suggest track use intervals in the manual. I'd rather go by that, than the OLM is what I'm saying. Or at least see how things line up. And are you doing road course, autocross, drag racing? Three very different things. Hour of autox isn't anything like an hour of drag racing.

I don't blindly follow that extended intervals they suggest for regular driving either.

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The car still doesn't really know the condition of the oil. It's just guessing. The same use with one oil isn't going to be in the same condition as the exact same use with another oil.




I know that - they suggest track use intervals in the manual. I'd rather go by that, than the OLM is what I'm saying. Or at least see how things line up. And are you doing road course, autocross, drag racing? Three very different things. Hour of autox isn't anything like an hour of drag racing.

I don't blindly follow that extended intervals they suggest for regular driving either.

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The car isn't guessing if you just reset the oil life a then took it to the track. It knows the starting point and driving conditions it was under thereafter. It's following a very accurate algorithm based on the information it's recording. You can believe it or not, but it's obviously more accurate than people give it credit for. The OP asked why his oil life went to 0 so quickly, and that is why. I had a similar experience with my oil life dropping significantly after track use.
 


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The car isn't guessing if you just reset the oil life a then took it to the track. It knows the starting point and driving conditions it was under thereafter. It's following a very accurate algorithm based on the information it's recording. You can believe it or not, but it's obviously more accurate than people give it credit for. The OP asked why his oil life went to 0 so quickly, and that is why. I had a similar experience with my oil life dropping significantly after track use.
But did he do an oil analysis (or whatever people want to use) to truly judge the condition of the oil?

The car doesn't know what oil is in it and what the actual condition of it is. It's just making an educated guess based on what some engineers put in the tables for the calculation.

Is the oil still good? Is it completely smoked? What if you use a cheap 5-30? What if you use Redline or Amsoil? It's going to calculate the same no matter what oil you use, because it doesn't actually look at the oil
 

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But did he do an oil analysis (or whatever people want to use) to truly judge the condition of the oil?

The car doesn't know what oil is in it and what the actual condition of it is. It's just making an educated guess based on what some engineers put in the tables for the calculation.

Is the oil still good? Is it completely smoked? What if you use a cheap 5-30? What if you use Redline or Amsoil? It's going to calculate the same no matter what oil you use, because it doesn't actually look at the oil
Bro. Your just saying the same thing over and over and way over thinking this. The OP asked a question and I answered it. Did I ever say the computer was 100% acurate and takes into account ALL posible varients when calculating oil life? Of course not. No one is saying that. Do normal people do oil annalysis before each oil change to see if its really needed? No, of course not. The oil life feature on these cars is just a tool to help guide you. Yeesh.
 

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Bro. Your just saying the same thing over and over and way over thinking this. The OP asked a question and I answered it. Did I ever say the computer was 100% acurate and takes into account ALL posible varients when calculating oil life? Of course not. No one is saying that. Do normal people do oil annalysis before each oil change to see if its really needed? No, of course not. The oil life feature on these cars is just a tool to help guide you. Yeesh.
Bro.

OP never asked a question. He was just sharing an experience.

You're saying the same thing over and over. I'm just questioning the accuracy of the OLM. Is there data to back it up for his car and his oil? I'm just saying not to blindly follow it as I don't agree with how long they want you to leave oil in there for regular driving.

Normal people, no. But a lot of people that go to the track do use oil analysis services.
 
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It was most certainly at 100% when I changed the oil, because I reset it myself and checked it in the FordPass App as well. Oil life was at 50% after the first session of day 2. Day 2 it was dropping around 10% per 25 minute track session.
How many hours/miles did you do over the weekend?
 

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I guess a Coyote V8 wouldn't be a good choice for high speed commuting in Germany then?
I'd get an oil analysis done to confirm if the oil life indicator is realistic.
 
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I guess a Coyote V8 wouldn't be a good choice for high speed commuting in Germany then?
I'd get an oil analysis done to confirm if the oil life indicator is realistic.
High speed commuting and track use are two very different things. I would say it is not so much the vehicle speed as it is the constant on and off the throttle, repeated full throttle runs, and maintained high engine RPMs as well as temperatures. Hard acceleration followed by miles of sustained high speed is nowhere near as demanding as what occurs on the track. From everything I’ve seen, the Coyote is a great engine. Frequent need for an oil change with track use does not to me indicate any sort of weakness or flaw; it is realizing the limitations and life of the consumables.
 

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Well, I can only compare it to high performance bikes. They use engine oil to lubricate the gearbox as well, so viscosity improver shearing forces are far higher than in a car engine, as is the rev range they run in. They also have a much smaller oil capacity than the V8.
I have never seen a recommendation to change engine oil after a track day or two in any road bike.
I think Ford are being very conservative.
As I said, I'd do an analysis just to confirm the state of the oil.
 

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When I was at the Ford racing school, I got to ask one of the techs how often they change the oil on the school cars. He said it ends up being around every 3 to 5 full tanks of fuel. So I would say if you are going to do a track weekend, change your oil before and after. Can it go longer, probably, but I think it is worth the little extra time and money to prevent premature wear.
 

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Well, I can only compare it to high performance bikes. They use engine oil to lubricate the gearbox as well, so viscosity improver shearing forces are far higher than in a car engine, as is the rev range they run in. They also have a much smaller oil capacity than the V8.
I have never seen a recommendation to change engine oil after a track day or two in any road bike.
I think Ford are being very conservative.
As I said, I'd do an analysis just to confirm the state of the oil.
Bikes are very different for exactly the reason you called out, a bike's oil is formulated for that environment. The main reason a car's oil needs to be changed after a few days on the track is because of the repeated hard throttle and hard braking, robbing the car of all the power it just created, just for you to ask for that power again. But that is how you get to throw the weight of the car around, get that grip, and make the car really fly around the track!
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