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[smurfslayer]

I enjoy reading trending threads on this forum including the banter and wit they invoke.

I now feel inclined to do one of the following:

A. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage and kick the tires on my Mustang while cursing Ford.
B. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage, stare at my Mustang while contemplating my decision making processes.
C. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage, sit down, and admire my Mustang and be thankful they're still around today to be enjoyed by those who chose to own one.

Decision, decisions...... I've decided to go with C.

Just throwing a little humor in the mix.

You left out the single most important detail.
WHICH bourbon?

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[gtstang462002]

You left out the single most important detail.
WHICH bourbon?

At this point in the thread, does it really matter.

 

[smurfslayer]

At this point in the thread, does it really matter.

I mean... 12 pages in, I can’t think of a single point brought up that has any redeeming value, so ... I’ll say which bourbon does matter ( says the guy with 85+ bottles of bourbon )

 

[Upacurb]

Maybe this car wasnt designed for the S550 owner....
Maybe this car was designed for the non-S550 owner....

Maybe they knew the changes in the car wouldnt be enough to get S550 owners to switch so they went more radical with the screens to attract a new type of buyer...

Maybe the only people who really care are those of us on this forum ....
Maybe 98% of the people who go to buy a new Mustang have no idea what the differences are between the S550 and S650 - it just came time where they can afford a sporty car

I still think 98% of the public cant tell the difference between a 2015 and a 2025 Mustang - they just think oh cool a Mustang....

I also think if someone got an EcoBoost lowered it put on stripes and wheels- 98% of the public wouldnt know the difference between it and a GT350R

 

[JimC]

I mean... 12 pages in, I can’t think of a single point brought up that has any redeeming value, so ... I’ll say which bourbon does matter ( says the guy with 85+ bottles of bourbon )

My wife sometimes asks me if I have enough bottles of bourbon - but can any of us have enough? I keep telling her that there are vast differences between them and so on any given night I will try different ones - and that's why I don't simply open a bottle and drink that one down.

And to my friends who ask, "what's your favorite?" the answer is simple: whatever is currently in the glass.

 

[smurfslayer]

Exactly! What’s your favorite bourbon? The one in my hand.

 

[9secondko]

It seems you don't understand the point I am making.

Legacy means a product that is end of line and no longer being developed. Electric motors and EV's are NOT legacy full stop. Many car makers are no longer spending any money on ICE development or ICE platforms because they see no future return on that investment. they can keep selling those cars but they will not be replaced by more ICE cars. Remember CD players? They are legacy products when it comes to in car entertainment, the S550 had a CD player but it has now been dropped.

EV cars and platforms ARE being developed and more and more EV's are being sold (now 20% of ALL cars sold globally and increasing, which is 17 million or so vehicles last year) Outside of the US V8 engines are an infinitesimally small number of sales in comparison.

EV batteries can and are being recycled (up to 98% recovery of the minerals) but actually the batteries are lasting so long the numbers available for recycling are still quite small.

Now just because the US is lagging behind many other countries doesn't mean that as a global company if you want to survive you need to spend R&D money on products that meet the trend of development. Ford are global, they sell less than half of their cars in the US.

Tesla are a fabulous example of a ground up car maker that has been a huge success for the US and it's economy (even if you do hate the owner or the vehicles themselves). Tesla will overtake Ford in terms of sales in the next couple of years globally - does that not make you realise the direction of travel here!

it seems you don’t know your vocabulary words.

your opinion was stated clearly.

it’s also just your opinion. You’re entitled to that.

and it’s wrong.

 

[9secondko]

And then you wake up. But was a great dream.

god think I was awake when I posted that then.

real life is a lot better than soy dreams.

but seriously, without dreams, you don’t reach goals.

it’s good to dream, chase the dream, and achieve it.

so… as the song says… “dream on.”

 

[Gregs24]

it seems you don’t know your vocabulary words.

your opinion was stated clearly.

it’s also just your opinion. You’re entitled to that.

and it’s wrong.

Not me that doesn't understand the vocabulary.

A "legacy" product may be a product that is no longer sold, has lost substantial market share, or is a version of a product that is not current.

Legacy system - Wikipedia

Seems pretty clear to me, or do you have another definition you could share with evidence?

As to the opinion, evidence is already proving you wrong I'm afraid!

 

[9secondko]

Not me that doesn't understand the vocabulary.

A "legacy" product may be a product that is no longer sold, has lost substantial market share, or is a version of a product that is not current.

Legacy system - Wikipedia

Seems pretty clear to me, or do you have another definition you could share with evidence?

As to the opinion, evidence is already proving you wrong I'm afraid!

no dude.

Wikipedia…

did you make that entry yourself? LOL

Let’s use the actual Miriam Webster dictionary:


legacy
2 of 2adjective

1
: of, relating to, or being a previous or outdated computer system

2
of, relating to, associated with, or carried over from an earlier time, technology, business, etc.

Since neither tech is a computer system and neither is outdated, or past usefulness, we are looking at option 2. And we all know which of the two was carried over from an earlier time. It ain’t ICE.

But it’s ok. We happen to see a resurgence in legacy electric motors right now. It’s cool. There’s also a resurgence in retro gaming, record players, etc. no big, we can have new and old.

we have the high tech ICE engines and the old legacy electric tech. It’s all good. No need to cry about it or mislabel things.

 

[smurfslayer]

Legacy reminds me of Legent; a Jim Beam expression finished in Japanese whiskey barrels, which is really quite a bargain for what you get.

Y’all get a room now.

 

[9secondko]

Legacy reminds me of Legent; a Jim Beam expression finished in Japanese whiskey barrels, which is really quite a bargain for what you get.

Y’all get a room now.

Gross.

 

[snakeyes]

For Chevrolet what keeps their cars somewhat limited is price point and (The Cabbage Patch Dolls selling strategy) - except for the ZR1 those are typically limited in production and I think this go around will be no different. So if you have $175,000 to shell out on an Eray or a Z06 then you can buy one. Unlike Ford that does serial'ed units and limits production on say Mach 1's, GT500's which tends to inflate the price point and supposedly help re-sale (not so in many re-sales I'm afraid, especially the Mach 1's).

As you know the GT's sell low because there's nothing special about them and ANY SCHMUCK can buy one which usually leads to overproduction and terrible re-sale. Like anything when you have something everyone wants - but can't have cause there's not that many to go around then price point will be high. The re-sale on older ZR1's is still through the roof.

 

[Gregs24]

no dude.

Wikipedia…

did you make that entry yourself? LOL

Let’s use the actual Miriam Webster dictionary:


legacy
2 of 2adjective

1
: of, relating to, or being a previous or outdated computer system

2
of, relating to, associated with, or carried over from an earlier time, technology, business, etc.

Since neither tech is a computer system and neither is outdated, or past usefulness, we are looking at option 2. And we all know which of the two was carried over from an earlier time. It ain’t ICE.

But it’s ok. We happen to see a resurgence in legacy electric motors right now. It’s cool. There’s also a resurgence in retro gaming, record players, etc. no big, we can have new and old.

we have the high tech ICE engines and the old legacy electric tech. It’s all good. No need to cry about it or mislabel things.

LOL!

The word 'legacy' is indeed defined as above and a 'legacy product' has a further definition of it's own as it would do being TWO words! Nothing wrong with the Wikipedia definition unless you are suggesting it is wrong? If you do a cursory search for 'legacy product' you will find plenty of similar definitions. The term is commonly used throughout manufacturing industries amongst others so it is rather confusing that you don't understand it. As you say a turntable is indeed an example of a legacy product so you demonstrate you do understand the term, the product was largely made redundant by CD's and that two is now a legacy product as it has been superseded by streaming.

Electric motors are indeed not new and predate the combustion engine BUT as I have made clear many times over I am referring to ICE cars (specifically V8's) and EV cars. They are more than just the engine or the motor but an entire product that really only came into existence about 20 years ago (old EV's back in the early 1900's are a different beast altogether). EV cars are superseding ICE cars globally just as CD's did to vinyl and streaming did to CD's - simple. You can still buy a CD or vinyl record but they are a legacy format / product.

And before you get all excited about 'high tech ICE's' - they use EXACTLY the same process as when they were invented 150 years ago as with electric motors.

Not too hard is it? No mislabelling going on from me.

Funny also that you think I would cry about it? Why would that be the case?

 

[Gregs24]

For Chevrolet what keeps their cars somewhat limited is price point and (The Cabbage Patch Dolls selling strategy) - except for the ZR1 those are typically limited in production and I think this go around will be no different. So if you have $175,000 to shell out on an Eray or a Z06 then you can buy one. Unlike Ford that does serial'ed units and limits production on say Mach 1's, GT500's which tends to inflate the price point and supposedly help re-sale (not so in many re-sales I'm afraid, especially the Mach 1's).

As you know the GT's sell low because there's nothing special about them and ANY SCHMUCK can buy one which usually leads to overproduction and terrible re-sale. Like anything when you have something everyone wants - but can't have cause there's not that many to go around then price point will be high. The re-sale on older ZR1's is still through the roof.

An ironic comment considering how much moaning there is going on in this forum about the prices of Mustangs are too high, so not enough schmucks can afford them! Can't have it both ways.

Oh and outside the US the Mustang is a very special and well loved rare car that holds it's value really well. Alternatives to the Mustang in Europe - none really at the price unless you count the more expensive BMW M4 and Merc CLE.

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